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- From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: Warning. XWATCH/SPY causes crash.
- Message-ID: <01GSJIDMQOB6006MJF@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>
- Date: 20 Dec 92 21:22:19 GMT
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- Brendan Welch, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu, writes:
-
- > We had a system crash (VMS 5.5-1). My rudimentary analysis of
- >the crash dump showed "unexpected system service exception". Further
- >analysis by DEC showed that it was due to use of XWATCH/SPY, by Nick
- >deSmith, 1991 OCTOBER 10, even though we had used this product successfully
- >many times before.
- >
- > The DEC engineer said
- >1) They have 2 or 3 calls a day on crashes caused by this. It writes into
- >the non-paged memory pool (which is not in itself a bad thing), but
- >the product is basically older and unsupported.
- >2) A typical supported 3rd-party product, but costly, would be Peek-and-Spy.
- >3) DEC is working on a similar product in collaboration with Clyde Digital.
- >
- > Thus I looked in the Info-VAX Monthly Posting. This pointed me
- >toward the Supervisor Series. I hope this will be a reasonable, inexpensive
- >cure [please correct me, especially if it too can cause crashes].
-
- Brendan,
-
- The warning about WATCH has been sent out on INFO-VAX (comp.os.vms) several
- times in the past. The problem is that WATCH was originally written for
- pre-V5.0 systems, and doesn't handle SMP VAXes properly. As you have seen, it
- can cause an unannounced, um, "system exit".
-
- Also, WATCH, XWATCH, and related programs were NOT written by Nick -- he wrote
- an extention to WATCH which allows viewing both the 'sent' and 'received' data
- - very useful for debugging interfaces to other computers. Net.rumor has it
- that the original WATCH was written by a DECie.
-
- The Supervisor Series has been used here, for several months, with no crashes
- on our SMP VAX.
-
- Raxco (unless they've changed the name of their company again [Clyde Digital?])
- also sells a terminal-monitoring product, which is similar to Peek and Spy.
- If you cannot use a public-domain package, you should evaluate all of the
- commercial products you can find (I believe there are a few others advertised
- in the back of DN&R) because their implementations are quite different.
-
- Interesting that DEC is co-developing a similar tool with another company....
- Anyone else heard of this??
-
- -Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
- Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver
-
-