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- From: lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN PAUL VAN LIEU)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Subject: Re: IBM bundling OS/2 (was rude behavior-gotta change the title!)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec18.200821.27759@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
- Date: 18 Dec 92 20:08:21 GMT
- Organization: Lehigh University
- Lines: 66
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- >
- >Well, IBM won't sell you some of their newer machines without OS/2
- >preinstalled. I asked quite specifically if I could purchase their
- >systems without OS/2 and get a rebate. No, they don't do that. If I
- >want one of the advertised, OS/2-based systems without OS/2, I have to
- >reformat the hard drive myself and install DOS and Windows. Now, beyond
- >the fact that IBM won't sell me any of their thusly equipped system
- >until they change their minds, I really don't mind. There are plenty of
- >other perfectly good (or better) machines out there and I can get them
- >configured as I wish. OTOH, I don't mind IBM trying to push OS/2 (if
- >they ever get it right, I may try it again), since their future seems
- >more dependent upon it now than it did just a few days ago (and who can
- >blame them for wanting to make a dent in the market?).
- >
- >The point is that manufacturers are going to do what's in their own best
- >interest and all we can hope for is that the competition yields for us
- >something we actually want.
- >
- >jmalloy@hamilton.edu
-
- This is funny. For over a year, different compatible manufactures have
- been striving to offer 'Windows3.x included'. When OS/2 2.0 was released,
- and was begining to pick up momentum (I would say around June), you could
- not get *any* manufacture to offer OS/2. Hell, you could not get most to
- *not* include windows (I called Gateway, Zeos, and PCPrand. All said it
- came with it, and you would have to delete it. One company, I forget which
- one, said they wouldn't include it, but aslo said the price was the same
- either way).
-
- All these companies were bound to MS contracts. Its not at if these were
- MS computers. Now, IBM decided to bundle its own OS on its own Cmputers.
- 'Foul' people cry. Why I say? This sounds more legit then how MS controls
- other vendors.
-
- Now I agree that there should be a choice of IBM DOS or OS/2. But
- excluding Windows, while maybe a bad marketing idea, is fine.
-
- I agree that IBM should change their strategy for the valuepoint series.
- OS/2 is included, but IBM DOS should be offered instead.
-
- IBM installs OS/2 on a FAT partition, I believe so that you can delete it
- rather easily and put DOS on instead. I do not think re-formating is
- necessary, unless there are some hidden files that you can't delete.
- Re-formating is not that big of a deal...
-
- What I do not like is the fact that OS/2 is not on an HPFS drive. THe
- machines have 8 megs. If people are reformating the drives anyway, put
- OS/2 on the HPFS. There is a *world* of a difference. On the valuepoind
- 486DX33 I use at work, deleting a directory (del *.*), without a /delete
- environment, takes a very long time. I clocked one time at 8 seconds.
-
- On my HPFS drive at home, the same action with a /delete environment takes
- no more the 2-4 seconds.
-
- Having OS/2 on FAT drives will not make the ValuePoints shine too well.
-
- cheers,
-
- bvl
- --
-
- Brian P. Van Lieu
- Lehigh University-AXP
- lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
-
- OS/2 2.0...anything else is just a DOS.
-