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- From: olson30@netcom.com (John Sully)
- Subject: Re: Can we get the details of the benchmark setup? Please!
- Message-ID: <1992Dec17.052226.22649@netcom.com>
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- References: <1992Dec14.192938.10637@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1992Dec14.220244.29899@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec15.051348.22687@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1992Dec15.065819.26636@netcom.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:22:26 GMT
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- timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:
-
- >The following quote was pulloed off of c.o.o.misc. I thought it
- >deserved to be posted here because this is were the, umm, "polite
- >discussion" is taking place and some people who don't read c.o.o.misc
- >might miss it.
-
- >-----Start of quote-----
- >The reason that the NT Beta will not install with Boot Manager is NOT
- >because Microsoft hates IBM, or because Microsoft wants to make your life
- >miserable, or any other shadowy Microsoft conspiracy. The reason is
- >that Boot Manager plays games with the partition table. Notably, the
- >partition that NTLDR gets started from is no longer marked ACTIVE.
- >Instead, the Boot Manager partition is marked ACTIVE. Whether or not
- >you think IBM has broken the "rules" of the MBR and partition table,
- >the fact is that without a lot of amazing gymnastics (like Doug Hamilton
- >has outlined elsewhere) you cannot get Boot Manager and NTLDR to agree
- >on what partition should be marked ACTIVE.
-
- IBM clearly has *not* broken the rules of the MBR and partition table.
- To have a partition booted by the master boot block requires that it
- be marked "active" in the partition table. After that the partition
- boot record should not care whether or not it was marked active on
- the disk (this is how the DOS loader behaves and it is also how the
- various UNIX loaders behave). The NT loader is broken, and it has
- been broken in a *very* deliberate fashion.
-
- >Since installation of NT over Boot Manager will likely result in either
- >an unbootable NT or an unbootable OS/2, Windows NT Setup does its best
- >to prevent this. You may consider this "sneaky" or "underhanded" if
- >you like. But the truth is that this configuration is not supported
- >for a REASON that has nothing to do with marketing.
- > jvert@microsoft.com (speaking, of course, for myself)
-
- Actually it is probably broken because one of the brilliant, technically
- advanced programmers at Microsoft didn't understand how their own DOS
- bootloader worked and blew it during coding. I still fail to understand
- why the check for the OS/2 boot manager signature is present, since the
- same problem exists with UNIX or DOS. It still seems deliberate to me.
-
- >-----End of quote-----
-
- PS: Please no attribution flames here.
-
- John
-