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- From: arl@cs.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke)
- Subject: Re: Is MINIX much better than LINUX?
- In-Reply-To: philip@cs.vu.nl's message of Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:29:53 GMT
- Message-ID: <ARL.92Dec15210739@deathstar.cs.hut.fi>
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- Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
- References: <1992Dec12.034538.14723@netcom.com> <1992Dec12.090926.28084@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
- <Bz76pu.AE0@cs.vu.nl>
- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:07:42 GMT
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- Yet another Minix/Linux war? I still have "Linux is obsolete"
- ast started. It's compressed 96k ;-) and really fun to read,
- especially ast's false predicitions; newsgroup gets daily
- 100-300 articles, 2100 users using mailing list system, 10-20%
- of nic.funet.fi ftp traffic is Linux related (that's monthly n GB).
-
- In article <Bz76pu.AE0@cs.vu.nl> philip@cs.vu.nl (Philip Homburg) writes:
- : I agree, if you want to understand an operating system, start with Minix.
-
- I'd suggest starting with Linux. I've teached Minix
- internals to students, and had to comment multiple
- times 'eh, this is kludge' ;-)
-
- : If your hardware doesn't run linux, linux simply isn't an option.
-
- You wanted to say 'Linux is not the _only_ option'?
- Or just 'do not use Linux'? (because it's free?)
-
- : Amoeba support is almost removed since Amoeba moved on to a new protocol
- : which is not implemented under Minix and probably will not be implemented.
-
- 'Amoeba support' was not nicely done. Who needs it?
- Future kludge programmers? ;-)
-
- : Of course these features are also offered by the Unix that runs on the
- : computers at your university, and mostlikely, the computers there are
- : also faster and otherwise better equipped than your computer at home.
- : (At least the computers at my university are).
-
- Ha, ha .. Even though I have 9.6k modem to University,
- I need my home computers 2 * 386 boxes, soon I'll
- third one. It's nice to have ethernet, tcp/ip, and
- software to run, like ghostscript printing with
- $60 DEC ln03+ laser. Prices for 386 boards start
- from $75-150 (used) .. [with 2MB].
-
- : Now, if you only want to write programs using existing tools, you should
- : look for Solaris 2.1 or SVR4 (maybe your university can get a site license,
- : including machines at home), Linux or 386BSD (or BSDI), and finally
- : Minix or Coherent.
-
- Studying OS using Solaris? How you can get sources to it?
- Can ScumOS be reliable? (must be a joke).
-
- [Corporation XYZ (name not mentioned) used to release binaries
- if they barely compiled - internal information].
-
- : On the other hand, you are interrested in kernel hacking, Minix is a much
- : better choice, since it is much smaller and easier to understand. And
- : most important, since it lacks all the features mentioned by Linus, you
- : actually do something useful.
-
- No way. Minix has been around many years, and not too many
- features have appeared. Linux now has it's first net birthday,
- and net is ful of sources, drivers etc. to it. Minix is
- just too hard to hack. Students returned 30% of their
- exercised back ;-( some of them you can see using FTP at
- sauna.cs.hut.fi:/pub/minix .. for Minix 1.3d (only 3
- exercised there, 11 returned).
-
- : For instance, I implemented a VM, TCP/IP, and ported X11R5, other people
- : contributed symbolic links, longer filenames (60 characters), 386 support,
- : 387 support.
-
- And you are building yet another Bignix - how many other
- people can joy of that work? I personally got bored with
- system where are 100s of patches lying around. Minix
- in Finland costs $200 at least. That's not inexpensive -
- for students, it's 66% of their montly governmental aid.
-
- : Of course, the fun was in writing these (important) parts of an O.S.,
- : otherwise I would run SVR3.2.2, or SVR4. The next project would be a
- : rewrite of Minix into a true distributed OS like Amoeba or Mach :-) :-)
-
- It's fun hacking kernel code, but why rewrite Minix?
- You should write your own OS.
-
- Good luck, I hope you write good OS ... waiting ...
- nic.funet.fi:/pub/OS is waiting for your contribution ;-)
-
- : So, in short if you want a simple system you can understand try Minix,
- : if you want complete system try Linux.
-
- Still today I do not understand Minix simplicity, each
- student needed 10 HD floppies for the stuff. I hope
- you do understand that Linux kernel is quite small
- (kernel != all device drivers).
-
- : Philip
-
- arl
-