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- From: chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
- Subject: Re: CPSR & Caller ID?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec17.001447.11166@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com.mrg.uswest.com>
- Date: 17 Dec 92 05:14:47 GMT
- References: <1992Dec10.181556.8815@netcom.com> <1992Dec14.205909.19682@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <bhayden.724495813@teal>
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- The Caller ID service is one of my interestes so I will post a followup to
- Bruce Hayden's question. Even though I don't presume to answer for Joe
- Francis.
-
- In article <bhayden.724495813@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
- >Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis) writes:
- >
- >>In article <1992Dec10.181556.8815@netcom.com>
- >>strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
- >
- >>> A typical example is CPSR's position on caller ID, which has
- >>> the effect of defending the right of others to block their lines
- >>> from being IDed when they call you and thus invade YOUR privacy
- >>> as the initial overt act. It doesn't occur to CPSR that a pure
- >>> libertarian position would say that if someone didn't want to
- >>> be IDed he simply need not call.
- >
- >>There is nothing "libertarian" about your position. And if ringing
- >>your phone is an invasion of your privacy, I would think that ringing
- >>your phone and supplying a # would also be an invasion of your privacy.
- >>
- >
- >>I simply don't accept your premise(s).
- >
- >I seem to have missed something. Are you arguing for or against
- >Caller Id? Are you arguing that the caller has a higher expectation
- >of privacy than the recipient?
- >
- >Bruce E. Hayden
- >(303) 7588400
- >bhayden@csn.org
- >
-
- Mr Francis' point is well taken; my phone ringing is an invason of
- MY privacy. The question is "who's privacy is invaded by providing the
- caller id to the called party?" There are three interested agencies
- (parties) involved in a telephone call; the caller, the called and the
- network.
-
- The network's interests are simple. Provide accurate, high quality
- service to the caller. The network is not interested in the called
- party since they don't pay the bill. That's not to say that the called
- can't be a caller at some other time, but for this transaction the
- caller foots the bill. It is apparent that the network's privacy is not
- invaded by providing the caller ID.
-
- The argument has been made that the caller's privacy is being invaded by
- allowing the network to provid the callers station ID to the called.
- Obviously the network knows the caller's station ID. The called will
- know the caller's real ID soon after the call is accepted, assuming the
- caller is not telling lies. So the network is providing the called with
- (maybe truthfull) information just a little earlier. So it is my
- opinion that the caller's privacy is not being invaded.
-
- As a consumer of telephone service I want to have the caller ID
- available to me. Services like cellular and PCN (personal
- communications network) require that the recipiant of the service pay
- for both originated and recieved calls. So before I recieve a call that
- I am going to pay for I want to know who it is that is calling me.
- I also want to be able to negotiate on other call setup facilities. for
- example I may not want to accept reverse billing calls. Or I may want
- to accept the call but inform the caller that their call is being
- answered by an agent like an answering machine or an auto atendant
- I may also want authentication or privacy negotiation before voice
- call acceptance.
-
- There is another issue. I almost hesitate to bring it up in this
- message. It's part of the culture that surrounds telephone
- communication. In our office we have had ISDN for almost two years now.
- The caller ID is recieved and linked to a database so that you can see
- the name of another intraoffice caller on your phone set. I realy hate
- it when someone picks up the phone and says "Hi Jim; How are you?" when
- it's realy me and I just happen to be calling from Jim's cube because
- it's convieniant. It's my newest pet peeve.
-
- BTW. I do not represent USWEST, or any company of USWEST. All the
- opinions expressed in this article are mine.
-
- Chris Fedde, USWEST MRG, chris@mrg.uswest.com, voice +13037842823
-