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- From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
- Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
- Message-ID: <1992Dec15.143628.4673@spcvxb.spc.edu>
- Date: 15 Dec 92 19:36:28 GMT
- References: <1992Dec2.143046.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> <lhupaoINN978@lisboa.cs.utexas.edu> <1992Dec14.151045@mccall.com>
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- In article <1992Dec14.151045@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
- >>I have no
- >>turf to defend, as I have notified the groups that I am involved with in
- >>DECUS, that I am lowering my participation in DECUS. My statements are intended
- >>>to show that there are ways to do things and ways to not do things... this is
- >>>not the way to accomplish anything. If you want to make changes in DECUS, then
- >>>get involved and represent those people that want change. Standing around and
- >>>hurling flame-bait is unproductive and damaging to the chapter.
- >
- > It is a pity that the leadership is not interested in the opinions of the
- > membership. Perhaps the change we ought to be trying to make is in who gets to
- > vote for the people that do make the decisions. You say if we want our opinion
- > to count, we have to become leadership. DECUS isn't interested in the opinions
- > of the consumers of it products (to use a different terminology you employed),
- > only the producers. What's wrong with this picture?
-
- Terry most of upper level DECUS leadership has become very interested in input
- from the customer. In fact we have some very solid organized research efforts
- going on right now. However if we are going to be honest most of the postings
- on this subject have been from DECUS Leaders/insiders trying to incite a riot
- to reverse a decision they did not agree with. Very little has been heard
- from the membership/customer. Prior to yours - the one membership type
- posting was so vitriolic, so full of obscenities, and so much a general knee
- jerk attack that did not relate to the issue at hand IMHO I am surprised
- anyone responded to it. Yes we are listening - but there are many ways to
- listen. Terry I really do feel we are begining to truly listen but it is
- mainly through customer research projects and not electronic media. If we
- want to take a shot at us do it on the basis of not being very productive at
- electronic _dialog_. Sure there are a few Marg, Clyde, and myself who
- routinely engage in electronic dialog but the majority of the BOD and MC still
- do not. We are listening - I wish we did a better job of discussing. I will
- know that day has arrived when we are bringing issues to these forums rather
- than reacting to them.
-
- BTW - Yes almost all of DECUS's management structure is elected by leadership.
- However the final authority really is in the BOD which is elected by the
- membership i.e. the folks elected by the membership get to overrule the folks
- elected by the leadership. Does it happen - no not really mainly because the
- 1000 or so leaders really aren't that far out of the main stream with the
- 10,000 or so active members. If something flys with the leadership it is most
- likely is reflective of what will fly with the active membership.
-
- --
- Jeff Killeen - DECUS U.S. Chapter NLC Chair | Email:killeen@eisner.decus.org
-
- DECUS is for folks who are responsible for delivering computing technology.
- The NLC is the national council for DECUS's Local User Groups - come join us!
-