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- From: mike@pmafire.inel.gov (Mike Caldwell)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec15.155120.10529@pmafire.inel.gov>
- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:51:20 GMT
- Organization: WINCO
- Subject: Re: Chemical Engineering
- Summary:
- References: <henley.921211083100@wilbur.eng.auburn.edu> <H5NPVB1w164w@arasta.uucp>
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- In article <H5NPVB1w164w@arasta.uucp> philbo@arasta.uucp (Phillip Lindsay) writes:
- >henley@eng.auburn.edu (James Paul Henley) writes:
- >>
- >> So, to avoid this problem, companies like Tennessee Eastman take Chemical
- >> Engineers, and train them to be computer programmers. Then the programmer
- >> understands what it is that he is trying to accomplish, and the loop
- >> gets tighter.
- >>
- >> Problem? Yes again, on two fronts. First of all, where does that leave the
- >> people who graduated in Computer Science? It puts them out of the loop.
- >> Second, in my experience, Chemical Engineers do not think the same way about
- >> performance as Computer Scientists do. To a Chemical Engineer, whatever gets
- >> you to the end result first has the best performance. And that includes
- >> development time. So efficiency is sacrificed for expediency, and once it
- >> works, as the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
- >>
- >I think you missed the most important role of an indivdual with a Computer
- >Science background. Most Chemical Engineers don't have time to be experts
- >in two sciences...It is the responsibility of the Software Engineer to
- >connect Software Technology to the Chemical Engineer's needs. Would a
- >Chemical Engineer know if fuzzy logic was applicable to particular problem
- >domain? A Chemical Engineer should be in a role where they best express their
- >needs. We need to be in role that best addresses their needs. High level
- >tools alone is not the answer.
- >
- >> Dr. James P. Henley Jr., former professional computer programmer
- >> Department of Chemical Engineering
- >--
- >Phillip Lindsay "Government for the Politicians for Japan."
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-
- Most problems in chemical engineering don't take experts in computer
- science to solve them. An expert in computer science, may find a more
- effecient solution, given enough time to search for them. But there
- really isn't enough time to search for them and 99.9% of the time we
- don't won't an efficient answer, we just want the answer, any way we
- can get it.
-
- There are a lot of engineers (not just chemical) that would Know if
- fuzzy logic was applicable, or neural nets, or OODBMS. Having taught
- a lot of computer science graduates to program over the last ten
- years, having a degree in computer science doesn't mean they can
- program. If we are lucky, it means we can teach them to program. And
- I'll be the first to admit that if I need a better hashing alogorithm,
- I'll look up one of the CS students I taught to program.
-
- Actually, I try to get management to hire more CS students. A program
- like this one that requires a lot of ChE work and a lot of programming
- benefits from a good mix of personnel. But mixing personnel isn't
- easy. Since this is a chemical plant, there are a lot more
- advancement opportunities for ChE than there will ever be for
- programmers, and we have very little work for the science side of CS.
- In the ten years I've been programming and doing ChE work, we have
- managed to keep only one programmer for more than three years ( a
- second one is getting close). And we haven't lost a single ChE yet.
- A lot has to do with geography. The work site is 50 miles from town
- and a lot has to due with the job market. When the CS people get
- tired of working here (i.e. trained), they have an easy time getting a
- more convient job. But ChE do get the job done. The programs get
- written, the code works, and we get the answers we need. And the
- bottom line, thats all that management cares about.
-
- Mike
-
-
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