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- From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
- Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
- In-Reply-To: lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 12 Dec 92 13:17:39 GMT
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- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:21:55 GMT
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- [cleaning up the followups]
- LM> == Larry Mulcahy <lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu>
-
- *Very* good article. You were doing REALLY REALLY well, up to this point:
-
- LM> There is another consideration, the non-commercial status of Internet.
-
- The non-commercial status of *parts of* the Internet, in particular the
- NSFNET-funded backbone, the NASA and DoE and DoD networks, and some
- international links. The CIX member networks and networks which have
- commercial agreements with ANS for use of the T3 backbone do not have such
- a "non-commercial" use policy.
-
- LM> Anyone who purchased an Internet hookup, then used it to
- LM> flood the Usenet newsgroups with advertizing could expect their
- LM> right to continue to have an Internet hookup challenged.
-
- No, but they would get massively flamed, and probably start having a harder
- time finding feed sites. Eventually people would start filtering out all
- news from that site.
-
- LM> If the amount of commercial traffic in Usenet were to greatly
- LM> increase, it is theoretically possible that Usenet news could be
- LM> banned from Internet.
-
- Parts of the Internet, yes.
-
- This is true, but how do you think they get funding for backbone upgrades?
- Partially by saturating the backbone...
-
- LM> There is always a cost involved in moving the news, if only tying up
- LM> hundreds of megabytes of disk space and hours of high speed modem time
- LM> each day.
-
- Or some portion of your Internet connection, if you use NNTP or
- UUCP-over-TCP to get your news with.
-
- LM> Most sites don't make anything off of it, so this is the root of the
- LM> aversion to commercial traffic: the unwillingness of both commercial
- LM> and individual sites to pay these costs to promote some narrow
- LM> business interest.
-
- Very true. If people see some value in a posting, they'll accept it; if
- they think it was a waste, they'll flame it.
-
- [...]
- LM> Some threats to Usenet:
-
- LM> I am uneasy about the government funding of Internet.
-
- Not my connection; many connections are on the commercial IP networks now.
- If the NSFNET backbone were closed to NNTP traffic, there would be a
- reshuffling, and a number of regional networks would sign agreements with
- ANS, the CIX, or both. And news would flow again.
-
- LM> [...] What will happen as the uncontrollable Usenet posters flood
- LM> Fidonet echos with off-topic messages? Even if excommunication
- LM> remains impossible in Usenet for technical reasons, could the desire
- LM> for peaceful coexistence lead to a chilling effect on Usenet speech?
-
- Well, judging by what happened with 'alt.bbs.allsysop', the Fidonet side
- will cut the gateway when they get sick of the USENET "anarchists" posting
- to "their" forum. And most of the USENET side will say "good riddance."
-
- Again, a good posting, modulo the (common) misconception that the Internet
- is a monolithic, non-commercial, government-funded entity.
- --
- Christopher K. Davis | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
- <ckd@eff.org> EFF #14 | for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
- System Administrator, EFF | Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
- +1 617 864 0665 [CKD1] | --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
-