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- From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
- Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
- Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
- Message-ID: <1gh2pdINNj8g@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>
- Date: 14 Dec 92 04:32:45 GMT
- Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
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- In article <CKD.92Dec13173427@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
- >BF> == fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
- >JS> == John Stanley <stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU>
-
- >But if they *do* want to look like part of the Internet, they should
- >do so, instead of whining about how Internet sites "must" support pathalias
- >and the .UUCP hack.
-
- I have seen nobody "whining" about how Internet sites "must" do anything.
-
- > BF> database, you can be easily in charge of your little section, as
- >
- > JS> I can be in charge of my "little section" of the DNS? Really? From a
- > JS> UUCP site? Just what protocol do YOU know of that will allow a UUCP
- > JS> site to change the DNS records for its MX site?
- >
- >Email, or telephone.
-
- Neither of these puts me in charge of my little section of the DNS. They
- put me in contact with someone else, who is in charge of my little
- section. Not the same thing.
-
- >Or even having an account on your DNS server's
- >machine so you can make the updates yourself.
-
- Oh boy, an account where I can access system files and make changes.
- Internet admins who give priveleged accounts to their UUCP connections
- are asking for trouble. And the first place they will see it is in their
- DNS records when UUCP-user forgets to update the serial number or puts a
- goofy date in the file. Or when two UUCP-users try to update the same
- file at the same time.
-
- > JS> With the DNS, it is easy to poke incorrect data into the database and
- > JS> *poof* EVERYONE is using bogus data.
- >
- >And pretty soon you notice that EVERYONE is failing to get you mail,
-
- Pretty soon? This implies that I know that someone else sent me mail,
- and I am not quite sure how I am supposed to know that unless the mail
- gets through to tell me that.
-
- >someone called your Zone Contact and told them to fix the zone.
-
- If you really think that Joe Internet User even knows there is a Zone
- Contact, much less would call him when his mail doesn't get through, you
- are wrong.
-
- >If only
- >30% of the UUCP map people can't get you mail, you may never notice.
-
- And if 100% of the Internet can't get me mail, I may never notice.
- Or it will take a while, perhaps.
-
- > BF> Using the DNS, I have no need to store any information about anyone on
- > BF> my computer; I can just look it up.
- >
- > JS> And just, pray tell, if you keep no information about anyone in your
- > JS> computer, who do you talk to to look it up?
- >
- >The root name servers are not "about anyone".
-
- Sigh. You must keep something that tells you who a root nameserver is.
- That is, indeed, keeping some information about someone.
-
- > BF> Using the UUCP maps, I have to keep 6.7 megs of map files, and a 1.6
- > BF> meg (33k line) paths file. Which seems like the more desirable
- > BF> system?
- >
- > JS> Or you keep a <30 character name of a site that will gateway traffic.
- > JS> That sounds most desirable.
- >
- >And *they* keep the maps and path files.
-
- Yes.
-
- >At least until *they* get tired
- >of doing it, and find another "smarthost". Who gets sick of routing, and...
-
- I haven't seen the list of gateways change in a long time.
-
- >Every site that *does routing* with the UUCP maps has to keep them around.
-
- The complaint was that "I" have to keep them around. "YOU" don't.
-
- >With the DNS, sites can do routing without keeping the entire DNS on their
- >local disk (or even local net).
-
- And sites can do routing without keeping the entire UUCP maps on their
- local disk, or even local net.
-
- > JS> To do that reliably requires one MX record for every UUCP site.
- >
- >It does? You've never heard of wildcard MX records, I see.
-
- Yes, I have heard of wildcards. I have one. Change the "one" to "an",
- if you wish. It is still not a reasonable expectation for every UUCP
- site to have an MX record, whether it is its own or part of a
- wildcard.
-