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- From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
- Subject: Re: Lets split comp.lang.ada into multiple groups to confine flames
- Message-ID: <1992Dec19.071706@eklektix.com>
- Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
- References: <1992Dec17.211409.28688@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:17:06 GMT
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- ryer@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Mike Ryer) writes:
- >So, lets hear from the major contributors to the langage wars -- would
- >you agree to post only on the comp.lang.relative.merits (or whatever) group?
-
- Such a group would get old quickly (not to say that discussion has died out
- in, e.g., talk.politics:-) and probably only a few real flamers would
- bother with it.
-
- One thing to consider is that the +/- Ada campaigns in the language wars
- have a slightly different color: We find some shred of reason to doubt
- Ada's future, and toss it out. It's like shouting "THEATER!" at a crowded
- fire...everyone assumes his role and begins posturing as the flames rise.
- This *does* give some of the "mine's bigger!"-"no way!" disputes that are
- at the core of most language wars, but the difference with an Ada language
- war is that it often starts with kindling doubt of whether Ada can make it
- in the long run...and even the arguments that don't start there almost
- always devolve to that. It's a good way to get Ada folks away from their
- work and into insecurely contemplating their collective navel (while the
- other language partisans address the survival of their languages by
- writing code with them;-).
-
- Stated another way, I see a qualitative difference in that the challenges
- to Ada are often not really "x vs y" but simply "not x". Other languages
- enter into the discussion as examples. It's hard to siphon off discussions
- like that in a "relative merits" discussion, because so much of it is
- focused only on Ada, therefore arguably pertinent to Ada. The whole
- range--from the responses to Holden's occasional incendiary lob into the
- group, to Aharonian's impassioned pleas for people to wake up and look
- around--is dealt with introspectively. What I'm pointing out here--the
- self-doubt and extensive rationalizing (whether needed or not) of the Ada
- community--has to be considered in how to get unproductive discussions out
- of the way.
- --
- Dick Dunn rcd@eklektix.com -or- raven!rcd Boulder, Colorado USA
- ...Mr. Natural says, "Use the right tool for the job."
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