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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Subject: Re: FORTRAN bug(was Re: C++ vs. Ada -- Is Ada loosing?)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec14.170421.18709@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
- References: <1992Dec8.172551.16780@newshost.lanl.gov> <1992Dec9.060218.23940@seas.gwu.edu> <1992Dec11.132942.24054@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Dec11.213147.24000@seas.gwu.edu>
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:04:21 GMT
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- In <1992Dec11.213147.24000@seas.gwu.edu> mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman) writes:
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- >In article <1992Dec11.132942.24054@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
- >>
- >>>For 10 points on your grade: what is printed? Why?
- >>>Try explaining it to a freshman.
- >>
- >>Nothing is printed. You built an infinite loop. This is hard to
- >>understand? You made a while loop with an empty body and a condition
- >>that is never met because you never increment x. Your freshmen don't
- >>get this?
-
- >Sure they get it. I just don't want to take my time or theirs on this
- >kind of silliness. Which is why I keep saying that C should be
- >everyone's second language and nobody's first.
-
- I agree. I feel the same way about Ada, by the way. There's simply
- too much there to be teaching it to people as a first language.
-
- >>
- >>>Any similar idiosyncracies in Ada?
- >>
- >>Single character ones? Probably not, but that just indicates that Ada
- >>is incredibly more verbose than C. One of the things I DISlike about
- >>it, by the way.
- >>
- >You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm not down on C. I'd
- >rather train my teenager on a nice, verbose, safe car and give him
- >the keys to the Porsche after he's proven himself on the Chevy.
- >Less chance he'll waste his time crashing and burning. And the 70% or
- >more of the freshman teachers who are going to Ada or sticking with
- >Pascal (only slightly less verbose than Ada) agree.
-
- Pascal tends to be a somewhat more appropriate choice for a first
- language. It's a nice protected environment with a limited set of
- features.
-
- >Please - no more language wars.
-
- I concur -- which is why I took exception to the original
- characterizations of 'the C community'.
-
- --
- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
- in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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- Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
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