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- From: tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
- Subject: Re: Mechanization of creativity
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- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:44:00 GMT
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- In article <Bz0rD4.66p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) writes:
- > In article <1g5mjiINNejv@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> tgd@research.CS.ORST.EDU (Tom Dietterich) writes:
- >
- >>I suggest the following distinction between creative systems and
- >>discovery systems.
- >>
- >>A discovery is something that is new to all of humankind:
- >>the discovery of the electron, of pluto, of deep sea vent life
- >>of a theorem, of a polynomial-time algorithm for linear programming
- >>Hence, a discovery system is a system that discovers new things.
- >>A discovery is a thing or a result.
- >
- > This surely can't be the full story. The Desmoiselles d'Avignon were
- > a new thing to all humankind, but they weren't a *discovery*. They
- > were a creation.
- >
- > It follows that there is some aspect of discovery vs. creation that this
- > is missing. Perhaps this is because you are concentrating on the
- > somewhat disanalogous notions of "discovery" and "creativity", rather
- > than on the analogous notion "discovery" and "creation". Roughly, one
- > thinks of a discovery as "uncovering" something that was floating out
- > there already, whereas a creation brings something new into the world.
- > Of course this distinction is vague, and largely dependent on our
- > psychology, but that's nothing unusual.
- >
- > "Creativity", perhaps, can be construed as "the kind of process generally
- > used in creation". Those processes can also be used in some instances
- > of discovery, hence the cross-classification that you mention. It
- > might even be the case that some creations are made by non-creative
- > methods. (If this seems paradoxical, think of gold as being defined as
- > "that yellowy metal"; but it turns out that some yellowy metal, namely
- > fool's gold, turns out not to be gold, because it is too dissimilar
- > to the dominant kind).
- >
- > --
- > Dave Chalmers (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)
- > Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
- > "It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
- --
-
- Am I incorrect, but is not creation the process, the PLANNED process of
- 'creating that which is not?'.
-
- Discovery is as you've said, the stumbling around in the dark and
- tripping on a lantern, shedding light on a dark area of human knowledge.
- ALTHOUGH, creation plays an important part in this. It takes the act of
- creating something, of planning something from known or unknown parts
- (hypothesis) to establish some form of order (method).
-
- Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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