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- From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
- Subject: Re: Drivers here are better than average!
- Message-ID: <1992Dec13.190513.24638@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
- Keywords: under the influence, neighborhood beat cops
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- Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
- References: <1992Dec10.231346.25726@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1992Dec11.045214.14620@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <tarrall.724192134@qso>
- Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:05:13 GMT
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- In article <tarrall.724192134@qso> tarrall@Colorado.EDU (Captain Neon) writes:
- >>No, simply that no one be arrested until the police have _some_
- >>evidence of guilt. Sobriety check points stop everyone, without
- >>any evidence of their guilt, and require them to prove their
- >>innocence.
-
- >Basically, we as a society have built and paid for those roads, and
- >we've said that you have to be ready to prove that you're not
- >intoxicated if you want to drive your vehicle on them. It's as simple
- >as that.
-
- So, essentially, you don't mind the government violating people's
- rights, if the people are a limited group (drivers on public roads)
- which are taking advantage of a government program (which, in
- theroy, they could avoid doing). Let's see where that logic takes
- us...
-
- >>Do you feel the same way about mandatory drug test for everyone? Certainly
- >>the principle is the same.
-
- >A mandatory drug test for everyone would certainly be a violation of
- >your rights... This isn't mandatory. You don't have to drive, and
- >has been stated many times, that's *not* violating your right to free
- >travel.
-
- From your remarks, can I assume you support mandatory drug tests for
- all students in public schools and colleges, or even
- schools that receive some government grant money? After all, you don't
- have to attend such a school and if you are going to benefit from
- government-funded education (by your logic) isn't it reasonable for
- the government to require that you prove you don't use drugs?
- Similarly, what about employees of any company working on a government
- contract, any employee of the government, anyone receiving welfare,
- medicare, social security, unemployment payments, etc...? These are
- all limited groups, which one can theoretically avoid being part
- of, who are taking advantage of a government program. That seems to
- be your criteria for sobriety check points, so how do you feel about
- applying it to other things?
-
- Frank Crary
- CU Boulder
-