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- From: tarrall@Colorado.EDU (Captain Neon)
- Subject: Re: Drivers here are better than average!
- Message-ID: <tarrall.724125744@qso>
- Keywords: under the influence, neighborhood beat cops
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- Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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- Date: 12 Dec 92 02:02:24 GMT
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- woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
-
- ->>It's easy enough to get alternative transportation (even in Boulder)
- >Ever try to catch a bus back to Louisville at 2AM?
-
- So get a taxi. Yes, it's expensive; so is drinking.
-
- >I would agree with the latter part of this, but I don't think in a supposedly
- >free society that you can be "too concerned" about basic civil rights.
- > Is it time to drag out Hitler and the Nazis yet? :-)
-
- Sure, let's do that. Nazis seem to come up whenever anyone in the US
- feels that his/her rights are being violated. Unlike the Nazis, I'm
- interested in prosecuting a group of people that are clearly endangering
- our lives. We have scientific proof that alcohol impairs your abilities,
- and this is backed up by statistical evidence. You do not have the *right*
- to operate a vehicle on a public road in the state of Colorado without
- being subject to sobriety checks. I'm not trying to take away your rights
- here; you never had that right.
- Let's look at the two types of sobriety checks that occur:
-
- 1) Sobriety checks when you are pulled over for a traffic violation.
- You've already violated a law. There's no reason why the officer shouldn't
- suspect alcohol as a (partial or complete) reason for your violation,
- and there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to test that suspicion.
-
- 2) "Random" roadside sobriety checks. These seem to be what's really
- upsetting you; you're likening these to the police forcing their way
- into your house and searching it without a warrant or probable cause
- (forced search and seizure, yes?) However, as you're operating your
- vehicle on a public road, this is a weak analogy. The officers do not
- (unless you appear to be impaired) ask you to get out of your car, or
- submit to anything more painful than a few minutes of conversation.
- You're worried about losing your right to privacy... but you never did
- have the right to privacy on a public road. You're taking thousands
- of people's lives into your hands every time you drive that car.
- I'd liken random roadside checks more to a police officer stopping you
- on the street and asking you if you have a permit for that shotgun
- you're waving around.
- -Robert.-
-