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- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:17:39 EST
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- From: Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Stats & Therapists
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- So, we are moving away from a little Therapist Bashing, Byzantine,
- unscientific money grubbers that they are, and on to the question of What
- Makes a Good Therapist.
- I concur in being disgusted by someone who has his/her stats done
- for him/her in a dissertation. Such things have occurred within my program,
- where some people seem to be required to invent a new branch of science in their
- research while others get away with murder in terms of how little they have to
- do. Nevertheless, I think that proficiency in stats and clinical skills are
- virtually orthogonal. It may speak to that person's personality, since it seems
- a little antisocial or manipulative to get others to do one's stats completely,
- but who can say what that situation really was?
- I agree that you'd want to see a therapist who knows about a lot of allied
- conditions, such as the effect of frontal head injury on your mood or the effect
- of hypertensive medications on your sex life, but that doesn't come from stats,
- or even being able to calculate the degrees of freedom from a JCCP article.
- This also raises the point that a Ph.D. or a doctorate in itself doesn't
- mean diddly. When I hear someone has a doctorate, I always ask "In What?" and
- "From Where?". Aside from knowledge of the quality of specific programs, one
- has to apply certain general criteria to the quality of a degree. My biases
- tend to be in favor of accredited over unaccredited programs (with all due
- respect to the person from Saybrook) and in favor of clinical over non-clinical
- and doctoral over non-doctoral programs in terms of general clinical work
- (meaning more than just psychotherapy). But to risk a cliche', some of my best
- friends and colleagues have master's degrees and in non-clinical areas who do
- excellent work. And there are people in accredited doctoral clinical programs I
- wouldn't send my worst enemy to for therapy. But then, I think being a good
- psychotherapist is damned hard and there are very few really good people out
- there and a lot of duffers. (As much as I criticize psychiatrists, two of the
- best therapists I've heard of were psychiatrists: I'll bet they were considered
- deviants in their medical school classes.) I feel sorry for anyone shopping for
- a therapist who doesn't have a good referral source or has to take pot-luck at a
- clinic.
-
- Tim
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