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- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:13:00 EST
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- From: DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
- Subject: Re: The Spanish/American War
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- On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:44:16 GMT Robert E George
- <regeorge@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> said:
-
- > I'm not an historian, hence somewhat out-of-place here,
-
- On the contrary, you are an historian by virtue of being in
- the list! and you have as much right to be here as anyone else!
-
- Robert E. George then goes on to distinguish among
- (1) Establishment of a church, which for him means only that a
- > particular church ... has a special legal position in a particular
- > country....
- (2) Separation of church and state, which means > that the government
- > should not interact in any way with a particular church ..., and
- (3) Uniting church and state, which means > making a single *unit* of
- > church and state -- i.e., fusing the two into a theocracy.
-
- The establishment clause has to be understood in the context of
- the C18 Establishments in both the UK and BNA. When people
- talked about the union of church and state, they meant the
- Establishment; to separate church and state was to disestablish.
- Thus, at the Revolution, the Church of England was disestablished
- in Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina.
-
- Over the years, the understanding of what it is to establish
- religion has evolved. During the early C19, most public schools
- had required reading of the Bible, in the Authorised (King James)
- Version, and had required prayers of a Protestant nature.
- Authorities rejected Roman Catholic arguments that this in fact
- established Protestantism. One of the reasons that the Roman
- Catholics went on to form their own parochial school system was
- because their children could not avoid Protestant teaching
- in the public schools. Now, we interpret the promotion of a
- faith to be as much a violation of the 1st Amendment as the creation of
- a state church. (At least, I hope we do!) We would consider the
- teaching of Protestantism, or even of Christianity, in the schools, or
- the promotion of Protestantism, or Roman Catholicism, or Christianity,
- by a governmental entity to be in violation of the establishment clause.
-
- Denis Paz
- Department of History
- Clemson University
- South Carolina, U.S.A.
-