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- From: Thomas Baines <bainest@SMTPLINK.EID.ANL.GOV>
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- RE: CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN POWERS, CUNNINGHAM & GABRIEL
-
- I generally grazed through the traffic rather than rolling into each
- bail, because I am generally too tucked into the quagmire on my plate
- to do anything else. This time, however, I feel compelled to respond
- to the issues raised by Bill Powers.
-
- I certainly don't understand all the math that John Gabriel uses to try
- and capture the essence of our innumerable offline conversations. I do
- find the effort worth the risk of oversimplification simply because of
- the insights into observed phenomena that the exercise has given me.
-
- My interest in what the Gang of 3/5 is (are?) up to is very narrow. I
- have no desire to try and solve any universal questions; although I
- have enough intellectual curiosity to appreciate the lure of doing so.
- My interest in PCT is merely to acquire another useful way of
- dissecting problems. I think PCT can be used to organize one's
- thinking about human interaction, even if the specifications of the
- complete model are, as yet, unknown. One must only make sure that
- there sufficient "tooth tests" to guard against placing absolute trust
- in incomplete understanding.
-
- I would never let whatever insight I might gain from applying PCT to
- the questions of field comand get in the way of better instincts and
- judgement. I would, however, use whatever insight I could to help me
- get a firmer grasp on the size and shape of the particular struggle
- that I face. The reason that I would rely on incomplete understanding
- and knowledge is quite simple - there is nothing better, and SOME
- insight may save the lives of my comrades and my enemy.
-
- I am one of those bastards that you call on when your national
- interests (as expressed by your President), or your corporate interests
- (as expressed by your Board), or your personal interests (as expressed
- by your complaint against your fellow) get threatened or abused. As
- military officer, economist/consultant, or lawyer, I get to deal with
- the trash that others create. I will use whatever paradigm, model,
- augury, or insight that helps me deal with that trash with the very
- least cost to all concerned. One need only kill, or break a
- man's spirit and see the consequences, to know that total victory
- should be left only to those who think they ARE gods - not merely that
- they talk to God.
-
- You will continue to pull on my coat, Bill Powers, and remind me that
- my understanding is inexact and incomplete. But you can't keep me
- from picking up and using whatever tools I find useful - even the one
- however crudely fashioned by you.
-