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- From: rja@newbirth.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen)
- Newsgroups: alt.soft-sys.tooltalk
- Subject: Re: ToolTalk questions
- Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:44:29 GMT
- Organization: Sun
- Lines: 74
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- References: <1992Dec18.172134.3602@shearson.com>
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- In article <1992Dec18.172134.3602@shearson.com> fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco) writes:
- >
- >I'm in the process of creating my first *real* tooltalk-capable
- >application and have a few questions that perhaps somebody might
- >be able to answer.
- >
- >1. Is there a *guarantee* that all observers receive my message?
-
- No. However, assuming that all the observers are up, and
- your network is up, your rpc.ttdbserverd is up, etc., all
- observers *should* receive the message. ToolTalk should
- be considered as reliable as Sun RPC.
- >
- >2. I cannot seem to get a little tooltalk pgm to communicate
- >over a WAN. There is no common X session or (obviously) common
- >process group. How do I remedy this?
-
- There are several ways you can do this. First, you can do
- file scoped messaging to a file which is known to both client
- and server ToolTalk program. However this is somewhat tedious
- if your application doesn't have a real interest in a specific
- file. The other way to do this is to have the server run a
- process tree session and to, somehow, advertise the default
- session ID of the server to the ttsession the client is running
- under. This could be stored in a "well known" file that both
- the client and server know about and have access to. You could
- also use an alternative medium to broadcast the process tree
- session ID.
-
- This is one point which ToolTalk, IMHO, needs further development
- in. Some talk of additional scopes has been bandied about. Do
- you have any suggestions in this regard?
-
- >3. The (sparse) examples that I've seen only send simple ints
- >among session members. Does anyone have any examples of sending
- >a structure? Both simple (ie, no ptrs in struct) and a complex
- >(ie, ptrs) would be helpful examples.
-
- ToolTalk is primarily designed to send "messages" around. If
- your application requires sending complex structures around,
- particularly between machines which may have different memory
- architectures, you may want to look at RPC. A more interesting
- scheme might also be to use ToolTalk to broadcast control
- information which is then used to invoke other communication
- channels, such as a socket or RPC call.
-
- ToolTalk isn't intended to be a general purpose solution to
- network wide data transfer. It can however be useful for
- certain bootstrapping issues related to starting sockets
- for example. It's best used for message passing, although
- there is nothing to keep you from casting an array to a
- structure, loading the structure, and then sending it via
- tt_message_barg_add(). Do I advise doing something like
- this? Probably not.
-
- >4. My performance tests, informal as they may be, indicate that
- >tooltalk is fine for high-level communication (ie, open app, iconify
- >app) but seems to be slow and perhaps unusable for things like
- >real-time data feeds. Can anyone corroborate this?
-
- ToolTalk is a high level interface. What I find intersting
- about it is to use it precisely as you describe. Let's
- say you want to open a bunch of sockets between system to
- do bulk data transfer, but you don't want to have to use
- a static file to store the names of all the potential data
- transfer participants. So, put a ToolTalk interface on all
- the potential participants, and use that interface to pass
- around connection management information.
-
- Currently ToolTalk is not a real-time system, so using it
- for that is likely to be somewhat disappointing.
- --
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