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- From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
- Subject: Re: Religious Freedom (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:)Summary:
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- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:50:45 GMT
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- In article <merlyn.724384557@digibd>, merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes...
- >graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
- >>>>>graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:
- >>>>>>One of the arguments against voluntary prayer that I hear over and over
- >>>>>>from the left is that those who do not participate may feel "left out"
- >>>>>>and therefore feel "ostracized" or somehow "inferior". Poor babies.
- >
- >[a bunch of text deleted, since almost everything is irrelevant]
- >
- >>In practice, a student should have the right to pray at any time, and
- >>in any place, as long as it doesn't literally upset the classroom
- >>environment.
- >....
- >>One may argue about this, but so far, the only argument I've seen is
- >>that it _might_ or _could_ make someone who doesn't participate
- >>feel "left out" and therefore "inferior".
- >
- >Perhaps you should active *seek out* real opinions on this issue, like
- >supreme court decisions, and the arguments pro & con given in various
- >school prayer decisions.
- >
- >>And, just because the supreme court says it (if it does), neither justifies
- >>it nor makes it fact.
- >
- >This is about the level of your argument; you don't know what the SC says,
- >but if it says xxx, it's wrong.
-
- No. I at least know the major arguments used by the supreme court. That
- is why I'm not interested in arguing with those.
-
- What I am interested in arguing is the flaky reasoning by some that
- even _voluntary_ prayer will make others feel left out.
-
- In fact, my point is that this is absurd because there are so many
- analogies (which I've stated numerous times) that prove it.
-
- >
- >All I've seen you do is bring up an argument just to shoot it down, without
- >addressing actual legal questions.
-
- A.) How have I shot down my own argument.
- B.) Again, I am not interested in what the supreme court says. I
- AM interested in the _reasoning_ about ostracization and
- inferiority.
-
- >This is a classic strawman argument.
-
- Why? I've asked a simple question, and I've yet to see it addressed.
-
- All I see, so far, is reference to supreme court decisions.
-
- How is it a strawman?
-
- Jim Graham
-
- -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
- Neither do they speak for me.
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