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- From: pmb2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter Bell)
- Subject: Re: More on Famous Anti-Semites
- Message-ID: <1992Dec12.025833.10876@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
- References: <1992Dec11.181242.29003@linus.mitre.org>
- Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:58:33 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec11.181242.29003@linus.mitre.org> jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:
- > (accounts of murderously anti Jewish behaviour on the part of various now-
- > indidividuals deleted)
- > Apparently murderous anit-semitic leanings are/were
- >not considered "dirt" by the Church.
- >
- > Jerry Freedman
-
- Jerry--
- I read an interesting book on millenarianism awhile back, which started its
- account with a discussion of the teaching that the Crusades to capture
- Jerusalem were necessary in order to hasten the arrival of the Millenium.
-
- At the time of the Crusades, it was official church doctrine that Jews were
- the representatives of the Antichrist on Earth. Most or all Crusades
- commenced with killing a large number of local Jews before departing for
- Palestine. In fact, this was encouraged. I don't have the quote, but one
- of the Pope's of the period used words to the effect that "the crusades
- cannot be successful until Satan's operatives in our midst are destroyed, and
- no one should go on a crusade without bapatizing himself in Jewish blood."
-
- This is not current teaching, of course. However, I have not met a lot
- of Christians who are comfortable with the passage before the crucifixion in
- which Christ says to Simon Peter (who is ready to defend his life)
- "Put your sword back in its scabbard; am I not to drink the cup that the
- Father has given me?" (John 18:11)
- or in which he says "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass me by.
- Nevertheless, let it be as you, not I, would have it." and "My father, if
- this cup cannot pass by without my drinking it, your will be done!" (Matt.
- 26:39 and 26:42). The origin of the teaching that the Jews were Satan's
- representatives was that they had killed Jesus; until quite recently (as
- recently as the late 60's in the Bloomington, IN area) the teaching of the
- Catholic catechism was that the Jews were *to blame* for killing Christ.
- However, it is very clear in the gospels that Jesus could have walked out
- of Jerusalem--he knew what was coming. And that it was the will of God
- that he must die; and indeed his (Christ's) own will. The crucifixion
- was no one's "fault"; it was God's will and had it not been done there
- would be no basis for Christianity according to the Gospels....
-
- Ah, well.
-
- Just my two cents worth....
-
- Peter
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