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- From: hachec@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Greg Patterson)
- Newsgroups: alt.irc
- Subject: Re: Proposal for Bot Owners (V1.00).
- Keywords: BOT IRCII PROGRAMMING LAME POINTLESS ANNOYING
- Message-ID: <1992Dec12.051152.7473@cc.umontreal.ca>
- Date: 12 Dec 92 05:11:52 GMT
- References: <1992Dec9.074224.12092@cc.umontreal.ca> <1992Dec10.212059.11696@newstand.syr.edu>
- Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews)
- Organization: Universite de Montreal
- Lines: 80
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- In article <1992Dec10.212059.11696@newstand.syr.edu> aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Andre Kian-An Tan) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec9.074224.12092@cc.umontreal.ca> hachec@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Greg Patterson) writes:
- >>[This proposal has already been email'ed to several (>20) bot owners that I
- >>could find within a short period of time (namely looking on #hotsex and on
- >>#hottub). From the number of positive responses, it looks like some
- >>progress might be made from this effort]
- >>
- >>Hello,
- >>
- >>As some of you are aware. The number of MODE +o's when people join some of
- >>the more popular channels (eg. #hotsex, #hottub) is steadily increasing. This
- >>is a serious load on ALL IRC servers around the world. Every MODE +o that a
- >>user sends gets sent to >200 servers simultaneously. This can often result
- >>in netsplits or server screw ups (read: *** Notice Hack: messages).
- >
- >["Helpful" hints to make a "better" bot in IRCII deleted]
- >
- >Here's another idea... Short of removing all bots from IRC, how about
- >NOT HAVING BOTS PERFORM MODE CHANGES??? Instead of requesting chop from
- >a bot, how about ASKING THE OWNER??? Yes... Aren't I clever, I thought of
- >that all by myself. I know it's really difficult to take that couple of
- >seconds or so to actually TYPE a command, but perhaps people can manage.
- >Actually, typing commands is quite versatile. It allows any type of
- >mode change, kicking, and even clever little phrases that might be relevant
- >to the situation at hand... Yes... you... a human can type adorable
- >"bot"esque actions like:
-
- Ahhhh but you forgot ONE important point. These LUSERS refuse to stop
- running their bots so the only way to improve things (until a better solution
- is available) is to get these so called "morons" to make a few changes in
- their bots that WILL improve the situation... Take a look on #hotsex next
- time you are on. While the kick/ban wars are still as high as ever, the
- number of auto-ops people get on the channel are down to only one or two.
- It used to be 7-8 for each bot/owner.
-
- >>auto-ops would be assigned at one-minute intervals. The code I have written
- >>is only valid for ircIIpre7 and greater.. ircIIpre8 will have an easier
- > ^2.2 ^2.2
- >>method requiring only a few lines of code (TIMER 3 + rand(10) /MODE $C +o $0).
-
- My my we are being picky arn't we?
-
- >Do seriously believe that half of the IRCII script bot owners out there have
- >enough of half-a-clue to be able to compile a client successfully? Sorry
- >to poop on your parade but, I think not.
-
- It's really hard to compile a new client... NAWT! Considering the instructions
- are posted on here almost once a week. The other fact is that all you have to
- do is ftp the archive, uncompres, untar it, and type 'Make' in the directory
- containing the source (parent of the source actually).
-
- >I respect what you are trying to do, but unfortunately I'm not sure if I
- >agree with it. It still troubles me when I try to comprehend why lusers
- >insist on spitting out vanity bots which truly have no redeeming value
- >at all. I even go as far as to say that "adding atmosphere and ambiance"
- >is stretching it...
-
- I don't agree with them either but at least I've managed to convince >15
- bot owners that auto-oping on #hotsex is not helping IRC. WHAT HAVE YOU
- ACCOMPLISHED? (other than wasting my time with this reply?).
-
- [log of some bot and luser not pertaining to anything deleted]
-
- >I'm sorry, but virtual beverages and asinine comments does not make my
- >"IRC experience" more enjoyable. Ah well.. I digress... Anyways,
- >Greg/Wizard, valiant effort to solve the problem, but wrong approach in
- >opinion.
-
- Please feel free to come up with a better solution rather than flaming
- me... The situation has definitely improved on #hotsex (and possibly
- #hottub as the same bots are usually on more than one channel but I
- don't go there often).
-
- Wizard
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