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- From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
- Message-ID: <80ar1ql@dixie.com>
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:05:02 GMT
- Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
- References: <b+arapg@dixie.com> <1992Dec17.160222.1313@colorado.edu> <1992Dec17.181217.6001@colorado.edu>
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- bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
-
- >Likewise, if I pay for computer access I expect the sysop to stay out of
- >my files and processes unless I give explicit permission, provided I stay
- >within my own directory tree and public spaces (e.g., /tmp), etc. (Obviously,
- >if I try changing files in /bin the sysop has a legitimate need to ask what
- >I'm doing).
-
- It makes no difference at all what you "expect". What matters is what
- you agree to in your contract. If the apartment owner you mentioned
- wanted access to your apartment anytime he wanted, you can either
- comply or rent elsewhere.
-
- >"Property rights" are not as clear-cut as you assume. The owner of a
- >computer system, like an apartment complex owner, has the right to ensure
- >that the physical system is protected but the data on it, like the contents
- >of the apartements in a complex, belong to the individuals who have leased
- >the use of the resources.
-
- Property rights ARE as clear-cut as I assert. All the current craziness
- in the law has done is make me rewrite my subscription contract to reserve
- all possible rights. In other words, I'm stating what should be obvious.
- If I decide that in order to use my system, you must stand on your head
- while administering oral sex to a camel, you will either do that or
- you will go elsewhere.
-
- >BTW, the University of Colorado requires a "computing fee" be paid by the
- >students, so the students are directly paying for the use of such resources;
- >it isn't simply provided out of the philanthropy.
-
- I'll bet you pay, oh, maybe a few percentage of what it costs to offer
- you that service. Spurrious to the issue. What kind of contract
- did you sign in order to get your access? Those are the rules you live
- by.
-
- John
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