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- From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
- Message-ID: <1992Dec17.002741.14891@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
- Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
- Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
- References: <1992Dec10.025308.14768@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Dec11.122009.8181@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Dec11.193941.6961@netcom.com> <1992Dec15.002556.28396@colorado.edu>
- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:27:41 GMT
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- bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec11.193941.6961@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
- >>
- >>As I understand both the law and ethics, if one discovers the
- >>commission of a crime by someone through illegal surveillance
- >>without probable cause, the fruits of that discovery won't be
- >>accepted by U.S. courts. Thus the requirements for probable
- >>cause and legal searches and seizures.
-
- >You have that backwards. The Fourth Amendment protects U.S. citizens
- >from unlawful search _by the government_ (the Federal government
- >explicitly; all local jurisdictions by extensions from around the
- >Civil War). Enforcement of this Amendment, through the Exclusionary
- >Rule you mention above, is basically at the whim of the U.S. Supreme
- >Court. Presidents Reagan and Bush have both expressed opposition
- >to the Exclusionary rule and publicly wished to have it curtailed.
-
- The ECPA *specifically* covers this. If you find something by accident
- while carrying out normal procedures, you can turn it over. If you
- were *deliberately loooking* (without what amounts to "pronable cause")
- and you reveal what you find, you are subject to rather large penalties.
-
-
- --
- Leonard Erickson leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
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