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In reply to the mail from <[e-mail]>...
>Has anyone put together a review of Prodigy?
>
>I am familiar with their policies of censoring bulletin board
>discussions and restricting email, and even tried it out for a month
>myself (for free, of course).  I want to be able to give a full response
>to someone who is asking what they are about.
>
>I just need an overview of all the complaints with them, and thought I'd
>see if anyone else has done something like this so I don't need to do it
>all myself ;-).
>
>Thanks!  Email is fine.
>

John,


Attached are some files of stuff I've found on Internet.  Perhaps you'll find
it useful.


Bob


Bob Solon, [e-mail]
Administrative Information Branch -- "We Code, You Explode!!"
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Subject: Prodigy stumbles again as a forum
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PRODIGY STUMBLES AS A FORUM ... AGAIN
By Mike Godwin


On some days, Prodigy representatives tell us they're running "the Disney
Channel of online services." On other days the service is touted as a
forum for "the free expression of ideas." But management has missed the
conflict between these two missions. And it is just this unperceived
conflict that has led the B'nai B'rith's Anti-Defamation League to launch
a protest against the online service..


On one level, the controversy stems from Prodigy's decision to censor
messages responding to claims that, among other things, the Holocaust
never took place. These messages--which included such statements as
"Hitler had some valid points" and that "wherever Jews exercise influence
and power, misery, warfare and economic exploitation ... follow"--were the
sort likely to stir up indignant responses among Jews and non-Jews alike.
But some Prodigy members have complained to the ADL that when they tried
to respond to both the overt content of these messages and their implicit
anti-Semitism, their responses were rejected by Prodigy's staff of
censors.


The rationale for the censorship? Prodigy has a policy of barring messages
directed at other members, but allows messages that condemn a group. The
result of this policy, mechanically applied, is that one member can post a
message saying that "pogroms, 'persecutions,' and the mythical holocaust"
are things that Jews "so very richly deserve" (this was an actual
message). But another member might be barred from posting some like
"Member A's comments are viciously anti-Semitic." It is no wonder that the
Anti-Defamation League is upset at what looks very much like unequal
treatment.


But the problem exposed by this controversy is broader than simply a badly
crafted policy. The problem is that Prodigy, while insisting on its Disney
Channel metaphor, also gives lip service to the notion of a public forum.
Henry Heilbrunn, a senior vice president of Prodigy, refers in the Wall
Street Journal to the service's "policy of free expression," while Bruce
Thurlby, Prodigy's manager of editorial business and operations, invokes
in a letter to ADL "the right of individuals to express opinions that are
contrary to personal standards or individual beliefs."


Yet it is impossible for any free-expression policy to explain both the
allowing of those anti-Semitic postings and the barring of responses to
those postings from outraged and offended members. Historically, this
country has embraced the principle that best cure for offensive or
disturbing speech is more speech. No regime of censorship--even of the
most neutral and well-meaning kind--can avoid the kind of result that
appears in this case: some people get to speak while others get no chance
to reply. So long as a board of censors is in place, Prodigy is no public
forum.


Thus, the service is left in a double bind. If Prodigy really means to be
taken as a computer-network version of "the Disney Channel"--with all the
content control that this metaphor implies--then it's taking
responsibility for (and, to some members, even seeming to endorse) the
anti-Semitic messages that were posted. On the other hand, if Prodigy
really regards itself as a forum for free expression, it has no business
refusing to allow members to respond to what they saw as lies,
distortions, and hate. A true free-speech forum would allow not only the
original messages but also the responses to them.


So, what's the fix for Prodigy? The answer may lie in replacing the
service's censors with a system of "conference hosts" of the sort one sees
on CompuServe or on the WELL. As WELL manager Cliff Figallo conceives of
his service, the management is like an apartment manager who normally
allows tenants to do what they want, but who steps in if they do something
outrageously disruptive. Hosts on the WELL normally steer discussions
rather than censoring them, and merely offensive speech is almost never
censored.


But even if Prodigy doesn't adopt a "conference host" system, it
ultimately will satisfy its members better if it does allow a true forum
for free expression. And the service may be moving in that direction
already: Heilbrunn is quoted in the Wall Street Journal as saying that
Prodigy has been loosening its content restrictions over the past month.
Good news, but not good enough--merely easing some content restrictions is
likely to be no more successful at solving Prodigy's problems than
Gorbachev's easing market restrictions was at solving the Soviet Union's
problems. The best solution is to allow what Oliver Wendell Holmes called
"the marketplace of ideas" to flourish--to get out of the censorship
business.






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                      Prodigy: Where Is It Going?

           National Rollout And User Protest Raise Questions
                About The Future OfOnline Communications

                             By Adam Gaffin

The story is bizarre but true, Herb Rothman swears. Prodigy, the
IBM-Sears joint venture, wouldn't let somebody post a message in a
coin-collecting forum that he was looking for a particular Roosevelt
dime for his collection. Curious, the man called ``member services.''
The representative told him the message violated a Prodigy rule against
mentioning another user in a public message.  ``What user?'' the man
asked. ``Roosevelt Dime,'' the rep replied.  ``That's not a person!''
the man said. ``Yes he is, he's a halfback for the Chicago Bears!'' the
rep shot back.

        Rothman, a New Yorker who was one of the first to sign up for
Prodigy when it was introduced in 1988, was one of the first to get
kicked off this past fall as an organizer of a protest against new email
charges that began January 1. Prodigy households now have to pay 25
cents for every message they send over a monthly free quota of 30.

        Leaders of the Cooperative Defense Committee--the first
nationwide protest organized largely online--have focused on issues of
censorship and alleged bait-and-switch advertising: even after Prodigy
announced the new charges, it continued to advertise as a flat-rate
service. The Texas state Attorney General's office began an
investigation in November to determine whether the ads were deceptive.
(At presstime Prodigy, while admitting no wrongdoing, had agreed to
refund charges to Texas subscribers who signed up between September 6
and December 7 of last year, reimburse the state of Texas for
investigative costs, and allow Texas users who had signed up during the
period in question to cancel their accounts for full refunds.)

Prodigy: A Different Vision

But the protest has also focused attention on Prodigy's vision of online
communications, which is far different from that seen by other national
online services, let alone local bulletin-board systems.

        It's a vision of online communications as computer home-
shopping network.

        Where others see a new way for people to communicate and even
create "virtual communities,'' Prodigy sees vast potential profits from
people shopping through their keyboards.

        ``We are an information service,'' Prodigy spokesman Steve Hein
says. "`We are not an email service.''

        Although other national services have "malls'' and advertising,
only Prodigy puts ads on almost every screen a user sees. Advertisers
pay Prodigy between $10,000 and $20,000 to design these ads and their
user interfaces.

        In press handouts, Prodigy does not even mention its public
"bulletin boards'' as a feature, pointing instead to things such as
"news and stock quotes, home shopping and banking, airline ticketing,
stock trading and our new encyclopedia, movie guide and travel guide.''

        Prodigy says its pricing--$12.95 a month for unlimited non-email
use--is based on the premise that people will use it for shopping.
``Every time you use the service to buy a holiday gift, book an airline
ticket, pay a bill, trade a stock, send flowers or buy stamps, you are
helping to assure the continuation of a flat, unmetered fee,'' because
advertisers pay a fee for each purchase and inquiry, Prodigy said in a
recent message to users.

        ``Shopping has been growing more than the bulletin boards,''
Hein says. He was unable, however, to provide specific figures showing
how much use each function now gets.

        Hein says Prodigy decided to start charging for email because 20
percent of the users were sending 90 percent of the email messages,
costing the company millions of dollars for extra computer equipment and
workers to manage a mail flow growing 20 percent a month. When Prodigy
started, he said, officials figured households would use email like
long-distance phone calls: they would only send several messages a
month.

The Email Explosion

But much of Prodigy's unexpected email traffic is due to the way it runs
its public conferences. Unlike other services, which rely on the
maturity of users and only rarely delete public messages, Prodigy
employs several dozen "editors'' to screen every potential public
message--sometimes delaying their posting by up to 40 hours, when they
are posted at all.

        According to the Prodigy user agreement: ``Prodigy reserves the
right to review and edit any material submitted for display or placed on
the Prodigy service, excluding private electronic messages, and may
refuse to display or may remove from the service, any material that it,
in its sole discretion, believes violates this Agreement, is detrimental
to other Members or to the business interests of Prodigy, its Members or
information providers or is otherwise objectionable.''

        The agreement also forbids members from attempting to buy or
sell any products without Prodigy's prior written consent. Then it adds,
``Prodigy reserves the right, without liability, to remove and not to
display, any material at the sole discretion of Prodigy.  All material
submitted to a public postings area will be automatically deleted
according to criteria established by Prodigy.''

        Prodigy has software that scans incoming public messages for
certain objectionable words before it gets to the ``editors,'' but some
members complain this is not always perfect: for example, people with an
interest in botany claim they cannot hold a public discussion about
pussywillows.

        Just a few months after Prodigy went online, some users had
turned to email for uncensored discussions.

        In December 1989, Prodigy simply eliminated an entire
mental-health bulletin board when gays and fundamentalists got into a
heated debate. Prodigy spokesman Brian Ek compares the network to the
publisher of a family newspaper that has a right to decide what is
appropriate. Prodigy has no restricted areas, and has to be concerned
about what children might see when they log on, he says.

        So pet owners were not allowed to use the word "bitch'' in
discussions about dogs. Coin and stamp collectors could not post lists
of items they had for swapping, because Prodigy saw that as commercial
activity.

        Yet users complained that even this was done capriciously.
Rothman says that if one of his messages was rejected, he would
re-submit it a few times--and often it would eventually get in.

        In October, one member asked in the ``About Prodigy'' bulletin
board why she was not allowed to comment about the use of the phrase
``Queen Bitch'' by a character on L.A. Law.  A Prodigy official
responded that Prodigy has different standards for propriety than
television. But he said the subscriber could use asterisks. If she were
to write ``Queen B****,'' then ``adults will get the idea but the actual
words will not appear.''

        Rothman says that in late 1988, he had had enough of having his
messages about glass-object collecting rejected, so he asked Kim
Hazlerig, a Prodigy member-services employee, if there were any
alternatives. He says she suggested he set up a ``mailing list'' via
email and that he contact a Los Angeles subscriber who had written
software to send large numbers of email messages at once.

        Rothman began sending out a weekly newsletter on collectibles.
By the time he was kicked off the system, he had 1,500 readers.

        Solon Owens, a former Berkeley resident now living in Oregon,
was an active participant in Prodigy's mental-health forum, where he and
others discussed their progress in 12-step programs such as Alcoholics
Anonymous. After the conference was eliminated, he started his own
mailing list of 10 people--which eventually grew to 120.

        The number of these email lists exploded. Soon dozens of groups
were using email mailing lists, typically sent on a weekly basis.

        Hein says he is unaware of anybody at Prodigy actually promoting
email lists or telling people how to start them. For a while, however,
the coordinators of these lists were allowed to advertise them in a
public forum on the service twice a month.

        But with the new email charges, all this ended. Besides Owens'
group, a number of handicapped people had set up their own mailing
lists. Owens says he could not afford to send out messages to the 120
people now on his mailing list, so he has moved over to GEnie. ``We
cannot afford to provide free services for the handicapped anymore than
the Post Office can,'' Hein says, adding the handicapped would likely
see many of Prodigy's shopping services as a benefit worth keeping.

        Told some users feel Prodigy brought much of the email costs on
itself through censorship, Hein says there was a very small group of
users who sent out as many as 10,000 email messages a month. ``If people
hadn't been sending tens of thousands of messages a month, this wouldn't
be a problem.''

        The dissenters claim 20,000 supporting users. But Prodigy claims
that is still just a small percentage of its subscribers. Hein says the
network now has more than 400,000 households online. He acknowledges
that the figure includes people using free signup kits, but said those
people make up only a small percentage.  Prodigy, like other online
services, has never had its subscriber numbers audited.

        Not all users objected to the email charges or the way Prodigy
runs its public forums. ``If they dislike Prodigy so much, why do they
have it?'' Jan Salamone of Hull, MA asked of the protesters. Salamone
likes Prodigy so much she not only wrote them a congratulatory letter
but let the service reprint it in its member newsletter.

        Henry Niman, a University of Pittsburgh researcher who was
kicked offline, said he does like Prodigy--he even persuaded several
friends and colleagues to sign up. He said his motive in protesting the
email rates was to try to keep Prodigy a good system.

        Without naming anyone, Prodigy officials have charged that Niman
and the others are really a small band of ``hackers'' who used devious
software to flood the mailboxes of other users and advertisers with
increasingly nasty harangues. In November, it posted new regulations
forbidding the use of "automatic" mail forwarders and barring users from
contacting advertisers online except to make orders or inquire about
orders.

        Niman says he compiled a list of about 900 people interested in
the email issue by using Prodigy's own membership-list function, which
lets one search for members by city and state, and that he and others
simply collected the addresses of advertisers from their email
responses.

        Penny Hay, a Los Angeles artist whose account was terminated,
says the committee was careful to delete the names of anybody who
objected to the messages.

Impact

Whether the email protest--which has garnered considerable bad press for
Prodigy--has hurt is an open question.

        Prodigy's Brian Ek says the service continues to add thousands
of new members monthly. Gary Arlen, who writes a newsletter about online
services, calls the protest a "tempest in a teapot" and says the real
question is whether Prodigy can ever recoup the several hundred million
dollars Sears and IBM reportedly poured into it.

        But GEnie, a competing system that introduced a flat rate on
nights and weekends for several dozen services--including email--just as
Prodigy was announcing its price hike, says it has picked up several
thousand disgruntled Prodigy users and now has a "Prodigy Refugees"
forum.-

        Advertisers on Prodigy are also mixed.

        "RWe've had a very good response in spite of the boycott,"
Jeanine Sek, in charge of the Prodigy account for Hammacher Schlemmer in
Chicago, says, adding she quickly grew annoyed with protest messages
coming into the company's electronic mailbox.  Sek says she would come
in some Monday mornings and find 40 protest messages in the company's
mailbox, all of which took time to deal with.

        Sek says she agrees with Prodigy that a handful of ``hackers''
were abusing email. ``They know what they're doing, or, at least, I hope
they know what they're doing,'' she says of Prodigy.  She adds that she
has been pleased with the response the company has received in its first
year on Prodigy. "We're very happy with it,'' she said.

        Chuck Billows, comptroller for H.G. Daniels, an art and drafting
supply store in Los Angeles, agrees that answering protest messages
``has been a tremendous drain on resources'' for his company.

        But, he adds, the protest "has cost Prodigy a lot of members and
customers, and possibly us a lot of sales. ... I think Christmas
shopping on Prodigy is under what we had expected.''

        Billow says he does not see anything wrong with charging heavy
email users more, but said Prodigy botched the announcement and should
have offered a second, higher flat rate for such people, rather than
refusing all attempts at compromise.

        ``I think, at best, it wasn't properly presented to their
members,'' he says, adding that both sides quickly hardened into
absolute positions. The protesters demanded ``Unlimited email or else,''
he says, while Prodigy responded with ``Well, the hell with you; this is
our business and we can do what we want.''

        ``I think there's been a lot of time and money wasted'' by both
sides, he adds.

-----

Copyright 1991 by Adam Gaffin. All rights reserved.

Adam Gaffin is a reporter for the Middlesex News in Framingham, Mass.,
where he writes about personal computing.



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Resent-Date:  Thu, 02 May 91 16:46:10 EST
Resent-From: kate McCain <[e-mail]>
From: "Edward G Looney <[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Prodigy

 Another attempt to mail.  FYI privary and prodigy

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 Joel Furr, Graduate Assistant
 Office of Program Review and Outcomes Assessment
 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
 *** Forwarding note from BITNET B--         05/02/91 13:40 ***
 Received: by VTVM1 (Mailer R2.08 Be) id 6444; Thu, 02 May 91 13:40:10 EDT
 Date:         Thu, 2 May 91 12:31:52 CST
           <[e-mail]>
 Sender:       Bitnet Baseball League and Sports Discussion
           <[e-mail]>
 Comments:     Resent-From: Edward G Looney <VB7R0014@SMUVM1>
 Comments:     Originally-From: Suzana Lisanti <[e-mail]>
           Wilson Snodgrass <[e-mail]>,
           Oragene Addis <[e-mail]>,
           Roger Loyd <[e-mail]>,
           Travis Jordan <[e-mail]>,
           Michael Stephens <[e-mail]>,
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           Bitnet Baseball League and Sports Discussion
           <[e-mail]>,
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           Writers Discussion List <[e-mail]>

 This song is for all of you out there who currently have, have had, or are
 considering purchase of the product "Prodigy", a product of the fertile
 minds at Sears and IBM.

 THIS IS NO JOKE.  I think, even if you don't have access to bulletin board
 systems, you should look at this.  If you thought Lotus' "MarketPlace" was
 an invasion of privacy . . .

 ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 I'm forwarding this message regarding Prodigy... I have no idea
 if it's true or not...
 ------------------ Beginning of forwarded message -----------------
     The L. A. County District Attorney is formally investigating
 PRODIGY for deceptive trade practices.  I have spoken with the
 investigator assigned (who called me just this morning, February 22,
 1991).

 We are free to announce the fact of the investigation.  Anyone can
 file a complaint.  From anywhere.

 The address is:

 District Attorney's Office
 Department of Consumer Protection
 Attn: RICH GOLDSTEIN, Investigator
 Hall of Records   Room 540
 320 West Temple Street
 Los Angeles, CA 90012

 Rich doesn't want phone calls, he wants simple written statements and
 copies (no originals) of any relevant documents attached.  He will
 call the individuals as needed, he doesn't want his phone ringing off
 the hook, but you may call him if it is urgent at 1-213-974-3981.

 PLEASE READ THIS SECTION EXTRA CAREFULLY.  YOU NEED NOT BE IN
 CALIFORNIA TO FILE!!

     If any of us "locals" want to discuss this, call me at the
 Office Numbers: [phone]; [phone].  Remember, the next
 time you pay your property taxes, this is what you are supposed to be
 getting ... service.  Flat rate?  [laugh] BTW, THE COUNTY IS
 REPRESENTING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.  This ISN'T limited to L. A.
 County and complaints are welcome from ANYWHERE in the Country or the
 world. The idea is investigation of specific Code Sections and if a
 Nationwide Pattern is shown, all the better.

 LARRY ROSENBERG, ATTY


   Prodigy: More of a Prodigy Than We Think?
   By: Linda Houser Rohbough


      The stigma that haunts child prodigies is that they are difficult
 to get along with, mischievous and occasionally, just flat dangerous,
 using innocence to trick us. I wonder if that label fits Prodigy,
 Sears and IBM's telecommunications network?

      Those of you who read my December article know that I was tipped
 off at COMDEX to look at a Prodigy file, created when Prodigy is
 loaded STAGE.DAT. I was told I would find in that file personal
 information form my hard disk unrelated to Prodigy.  As you know, I
 did find copies of the source code to our product FastTrack, in
 STAGE.DAT. The fact that they were there at all gave me the same
 feeling of violation as the last time my home was broken into by
 burglars.

      I invited you to look at your own STAGE.DAT file, if you're a
 Prodigy user, and see if you found anything suspect. Since then I have
 had numerous calls with reports of similar finds, everything from
 private patient medical information to classified government
 information.

      The danger is Prodigy is uploading STAGE.DAT and taking a look at
 your private business. Why? My guess is marketing research, which is
 expensive through legitimate channels, and unwelcomed by you and I.
 The question now is: Is it on purpose, or a mistake?  One caller
 theorizes that it is a bug. He looked at STAGE.DAT with a piece of
 software he wrote to look at the physical location of data on the hard
 disk, and found that his STAGE.DAT file allocated 950,272 bytes of
 disk space for storage.

      Prodigy stored information about the sections viewed frequently
 and the data needed to draw those screens in STAGE.DAT. Service would
 be faster with information stored on the PC rather then the same
 information being downloaded from Prodigy each time.

      That's a viable theory because ASCII evidence of those screens
 shots can be found in STAGE.DAT, along with AUTOEXEC.BAT and path
 information. I am led to belive that the path and system configuration
 (in RAM) are diddled with and then restored to previous settings upon
 exit. So the theory goes, in allocating that disk space, Prodigy
 accidently includes data left after an erasure (As you know, DOS does
 not wipe clean the space that deleted files took on the hard disk, but
 merely marked the space as vacant in the File Allocation Table.)

      There are a couple of problems with this theory. One is that it
 assumes that the space was all allocated at once, meaning all 950,272
 bytes were absorbed at one time.  That simply isn't true.  My
 STAGE.DAT was 250,000+ bytes after the first time I used Prodigy. The
 second assumption is that Prodigy didn't want the personal
 information; it was getting it accidently in uploading and downloading
 to and from STAGE.DAT. The E-mail controversy with Prodigy throws
 doubt upon that. The E-mail controversy started because people were
 finding mail they sent with comments about Prodigy or the E-mail,
 especially negative ones, didn't ever arrive. Now Prodigy is saying
 they don't actually read the mail, they just have the computer scan it
 for key terms, and delete those messages because they are responsible
 for what happens on Prodigy.

      I received a call from someone from another user group who read
 our newsletter and is very involved in telecommunications.  He
 installed and ran Prodigy on a freshly formatted 3.5 inch 1.44 meg
 disk. Sure enough, upon checking STAGE.DAT he discovered personal data
 from his hard disk that could not have been left there after an
 erasure. He had a very difficult time trying to get someone at Prodigy
 to talk to about this.

                --------------

 Excerpt of email on the above subject:

 THERE'S A FILE ON THIS BOARD CALLED 'FRAUDIGY.ZIP' THAT I SUGGEST ALL
 WHO USE THE PRODIGY SERVICE TAKE ***VERY*** SERIOUSLY.  THE FILE
 DESCRIBES HOW THE PRODIGY SERVICE SEEMS TO SCAN YOUR HARD DRIVE FOR
 PERSONAL INFORMATION, DUMPS IT INTO A FILE IN THE PRODIGY
 SUB-DIRECTORY CALLED 'STAGE.DAT' AND WHILE YOU'RE WAITING AND WAITING
 FOR THAT NEXT MENU COME UP, THEY'RE UPLOADING YOUR STUFF AND LOOKING
 AT IT.

      TODAY I WAS IN BABBAGES'S, ECHELON TALKING TO TIM WHEN A
 GENTLEMAN WALKED IN, HEARD OUR DISCUSSION, AND PIPED IN THAT HE WAS A
 COLUMNIST ON PRODIGY. HE SAID THAT THE INFO FOUND IN 'FRAUDIGY.ZIP'
 WAS INDEED TRUE AND THAT IF YOU READ YOUR ON-LINE AGREEMENT CLOSELY,
 IT SAYS THAT YOU SIGN ALL RIGHTS TO YOUR COMPUTER AND ITS CONTENTS TO
 PRODIGY, IBM & SEARS WHEN YOU AGREE TO THE SERVICE.

      I TRIED THE TESTS SUGGESTED IN 'FRAUDIGY.ZIP' WITH A VIRGIN
 'PRODIGY' KIT.  I DID TWO INSTALLATIONS, ONE TO MY OFT USED HARD DRIVE
 PARTITION, AND ONE ONTO A 1.2MB FLOPPY.  ON THE FLOPPY VERSION, UPON
 INSTALLATION (WITHOUT LOGGING ON), I FOUND THAT THE FILE 'STAGE.DAT'
 CONTAINED A LISTING OF EVERY .BAT AND SETUP FILE CONTAINED IN MY 'C:'
 DRIVE BOOT DIRECTORY.  USING THE HARD DRIVE DIRECTORY OF PRODIGY THAT
 WAS SET UP, I PROCEDED TO LOG ON.  I LOGGED ON, CONSENTED TO THE
 AGREEMENT, AND LOGGED OFF. REMEMBER, THIS WAS A VIRGIN SETUP KIT.

      AFTER LOGGING OFF I LOOKED AT 'STAGE.DAT' AND 'CACHE.DAT' FOUND
 IN THE PRODIGY SUBDIRECTORY.  IN THOSE FILES, I FOUND POINTERS TO
 PERSONAL NOTES THAT WERE BURIED THREE SUB-DIRECTORIES DOWN ON MY
 DRIVE, AND AT THE END OF 'STAGE.DAT' WAS AN EXACT IMAGE COPY OF MY
 PC-DESKTOP APPOINTMENTS CALENDER.

      CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.

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 I had my lawyer check his STAGE.DAT file and he found none other than
 CONFIDENTIAL CLIENT INFO in it.

 Needless to say he is no longer a Prodigy user.


 Mark A. Emanuele   V.P. Engineering  Overleaf, Inc.
 218 Summit Ave   Fords, NJ 08863   [phone]
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