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- From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
- Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
- Message-ID: <1992Dec15.201236.27432@colorado.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:12:36 GMT
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- In article <15DEC199207440917@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov> olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec15.002556.28396@colorado.edu>, bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes...
- >>[stuff deleted]
- >>will have a harder time making such a blanket rule. (How would the
- >>presence of barely-perceptable THC in the cashier at the local
- >>McDonalds affect public safety?)
- >>[stuff deleted]
- >
- >Gee, maybe the person comes to work a bit stoned, doesn't wash his/her hands
- >after using the restroom and touches your food (the cashiers do set up your
- >fries and Coke). You eat the food contract typhoid. Don't believe it? It
- >happened out here a couple of years ago. Let's face it, drugs make you stupid.
- >When you're stupid, you forget safety precautions, no matter what job you have.
-
- There is a world of difference between showing up at work stoned and
- having attended a party several weeks earlier with friends. (Or, with
- a sensitive test, having gone to the "wrong" concert several days earlier
- where you did _not_ smoke a joint; you simply breathed).
-
- Nobody has a problem with testing employees given reasonable grounds
- to suspect immediate drug use may have contributed to public a risk --
- that's why the first thing transportation professionals do after an
- accident is piss in a jar, give blood samples, whatever.
-
- However, why should I have to keep track of everything I eat and drink
- for the past month? Eat at McDonalds and a sensitive drug test may pick
- up opium metabolites (from the sesame seeds on the bun). Have a cold;
- don't use OTC medicine because the codine in some preparations will look
- like a narcotic as well....
-
- Toss in the false positive rate (I think it's around 2-5% for a well-run
- test, much higher at Drug-Tests-R-Us) and mandatory drug-testing _without
- cause_ is nothing but a tool for intimidation.
-
-
- BTW, part of the answer to your problem is to liberalize sick-leave.
- I remember working a Disney World while in college; during orientation
- we were told to take sick-leave if we were ill, rather than spreading
- our cold to thousands of people.
-
- Sounds great... then they didn't give part-time workers sick-leave or
- vacation. (I worked 16 hours most of the year, 40 hours during the
- summer, Christmas break and Spring break, so I was put in a _lot_ of
- time there). If I was sick, I lost money, so I went to work sick.
-
- I expect the same thing happens at fast-food places -- of course nobody
- should go to work if they're sick, but if you can't pay your rent if
- you don't work it puts the low-level employees in a quandry.
-
- --
- Bear Giles
- bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
-