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- From: greeny@eff.org (J S Greenfield)
- Subject: Re: Chain letters?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec13.204854.21573@eff.org>
- Originator: greeny@eff.org
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- Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
- References: <1992Dec11.180920.28593@ms.uky.edu> <1992Dec12.215820.12189@eff.org> <1992Dec13.120141.22163@ms.uky.edu>
- Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:48:54 GMT
- Lines: 112
-
- In article <1992Dec13.120141.22163@ms.uky.edu> morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) writes:
-
- >>>I'd classify anything that says "send this to XX other people" as
- >>>a chain letter..........
- >>
- >>OK, Wes. I bite. By this standard, isn't *your* post a "chain letter?"
- >>
- >>For that matter, isn't mine, and isn't every other post in this thread that
- >>has excerpted this portion of the original letter?
- >
- >Nope, because this isn't email. 8)
-
- Oh! But you didn't say that in your previous post!! :)
-
- Even so, if this had been a discussion over a listserv (and isn't caf-talk
- available via email--so that some people *do* get these posts via email!),
- or if I had sent my comment to you via email, your definition would have
- made my note a "chain letter."
-
-
- >I'll make the distinction more clear
- >later in this post.........
-
- OK, I guess you recognize the need for clarification, too...
-
-
- >>Personally, I agree with Carl. A toy car is not a car. Dana Carvey's
- >>parody of a Bush speech is not a Bush speech. And a parody of a chain
- >>letter is not (necessarily) a chain letter.
- >
- >Of course, you're assuming that recipients will correctly identify it
- >as a parody and refuse to "play along". Didn't Orson Welles make the
- >same assumption with _War of the Worlds_?
-
- Yes, and you are assuming that people reading your post will correctly
- identify it as simply *analysis* of a "chain letter," and not a chain
- letter, itself.
-
-
- >I've been bitten by chain letters several times; they have been, without
- >exception, useless, resource-intensive, and utterly valueless.
-
- I don't doubt it.
-
-
- >You may ask, "what's the difference between a chain letter and a Usenet
- >group?"
- >
- >[...]
-
- Personally, I don't ask. I already understand the importance difference
- with regard to mass dissemination of information.
-
-
- >>I certainly don't buy your rule of thumb for defining a chain letter.
- >
- >My definition of "chain letter" may not jibe with that used by the Postal
- >Service, but I'm more concerned with the effects than the content. I'll
- >stick by my original statement, with a slight rephrasing:
- >
- > Any email message whose *main* purpose is to generate email
- > traffic FOR THE SAKE OF GENERATING TRAFFIC can be classified
- > as an electronic "chain letter".
-
- Well, I don't think that the letter in question meets *this* definition.
-
- I think the letter in question is *obviously* a parody to all but the
- brain-dead. I don't doubt that it might get mailed out--but I would
- expect the mailing to simply be one individual mailing it to a friend,
- in order to share a joke (as one might do with any joke).
-
- Personally, I'd just dump it. (It wasn't amusing enough for me to bother
- sharing it with anyone.)
-
-
- >I do make a distinction between "chain letters" and mass mailings; there
- >may be a valid reason for such a mass mailing, but I would hope to get
- >some warning before 2100 copies of a 68Kb message drop into my /usr/mail
- >file system. <This happened a few years ago, and I received no warning;
- >it was a *very* long evening. Did you ever try to write a shellscript
- >to remove one particular message from user mailboxes *without* exposing
- >oneself to the contents of said mailboxes? I was rather proud of that
- >one....>
- >
- >[...]
-
- It's always nice to hear of such vigilance. (Somehow, we usually hear
- the *bad* examples in this newsgroup... :( )
-
-
- >I agree completely that this is yet another judgement call. Of course,
- >the admin's obligation to provide effective computing service often re-
- >quires such independent action. I wouldn't take action in the absence
- >of a *real* problem, but you can bet that I'll do something when the
- >system starts taking noticable hits.
-
- If a note like this did, in fact, create a problem, then I would think
- it reasonable to ask those involved to avoid such notes in the future,
- even in jest. I certainly couldn't see taking disciplinary action
- against someone for, presumably unintentionally, creating that
- problem.
-
- If most of your users are brain-dead, and 1) think that the parody is
- a genuine "chain letter", and 2) actually buy what the "chain letter"
- say, you probably have all kinds of problems keeping them out of
- trouble. :)
-
- --
- J. S. Greenfield greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
- (I like to put 'greeny' here, greeny@eff.org
- but my d*mn system wants a
- *real* name!) "What's the difference between an orange?"
-