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- From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
- Subject: Re: Q: Extending Ethernet over fiber
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.022410.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
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- Organization: Curtin University of Technology
- References: <1992Nov12.074211.3898@wkuvx1.bitnet>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:24:10 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov12.074211.3898@wkuvx1.bitnet>, goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
- ...
- > o We have another Novell LAN (Thinwire Ethernet) in the same building
- > as the 6320. It too has reached its maximum length. Naturally,
- > we'd like to connect the Novell LAN and the Pathworks LAN. Will
- > that work if the DESPR is replaced with a DEMPR? How about just
- > connecting a gateway to the DELNI now? Would that work?
- >
- > Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. No one around here
- > (including our DEC reps) has had much experience with the limits of
- > Ethernet.
- >
-
- First off, how many fibres are in the cable between buildings? You will need
- 2 to link Ethernets via repeaters or bridges or 4 for FDDI. Idealy you will
- have 2+4+n with n spares, n > 0. the costs for a fibre are, Installing,
- Terminating the 'pigtails', everthing else ( including the cable ).
-
- To your config. A assume it is
-
- -----------------
- | |
- | DELNI |
- |---------------|
- | | |
- | \ -----------------6xxx
- | \
- | \
- | other vax?
- |
- |---------------|
- | |
- | DESPR |
- | |
- |---------------|
- thin wire segments
-
-
- plus some other thin-wire not conected to the above.
-
-
- plus of course, the second building.
-
- First you need to consider if you want to link ALL your protocols, or just
- some. Note that you have DEcnet, Novell, LAT, MOP, LAD and possibly NI-cluster
- protocols to consider. The interface you mention would function at the decnet
- transport level I think, so terminal servers etc would still be partitioned
- onto their own LAN. A repeater would merge all the LANs into one multi-
- segment LAN. A bridge would connect the Ethernet segments into as many 'LANs'
- as you wish.
-
- As to the length bit. There are 2 length limits in Ethernet. The first is
- based on signal loss, noise, cable resistance and loading. This is where
- the 180 metre thin-wire limit bites. After that, the increased noise and
- decreased signal start to bite into your error margin.
- The other length limit is time. This limit defines your 'slot-time' of the
- Ethernet, and can't be exceded. Note that the different media have differing
- length -> time functions, called propagation constant. It is ~0.8 for thick,
- .75 for thin, and about .62 fotr fibre. Each repeater or DELNI also adds
- some constant time delay ( depending on the device type ) and chops off some
- of the 64 bit packet pre-amble. If we shove our trafic through a bridge, all
- of the above falls in the bit-bucket. The bridge recieves, buffers, and xmits
- a NEW packet. There are now 2 physical nets forming one logical net. Because
- the bridge apeares as one node on each physical net it allows the total
- propagation time to increase to what ever you or your network software will
- tollerate, 10s to 100s of msec rather than usecs. In any reasonable config
- the lengths you refer to will not be an issue, as the total 'length' is
- about 300+300(thin-wire segments)+1000(500m fibre @.6 plus a fudge for repeater
- delay)+200(DELNI)=1800 metres end to end 'length'. this is still 1Km inside
- the Ethernet 2.8Km limit, so you will be right for the moment.
-
- The last sentence is the trap. You may soon need to expand further and belt
- your head hard on the wall. :=( Plan *WELL* ahead!! And make sure you can
- change your plans radicaly without major disruption or de-instalation.
-
- ~Paul
-
-