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- From: RBN@C3PO.RTPNC.EPA.GOV (Bob Boyd(919-541-4441))
- Subject: RE: databases in management products
- Message-ID: <921116104150.803@C3PO.RTPNC.EPA.GOV>
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- Organization: Environmental Protection Agency
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:45:57 GMT
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- Forwarded/Reply created @ 16-NOV-1992 10:33:22.54
- ============================== Original Message ==============================
- >Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:21:29 -0500
- >Message-Id: <9211161507.AA00610@enet-gw.pa.dec.com>
- >Comment: Discussion group for DECmcc related topics
- >Originator: decmcc@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov
- >Errors-To: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov
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- >Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas
- >From: Bill at MKO 16-Nov-1992 0928 <gassman@skibum.enet.dec.com>
- >To: Multiple recipients of list <decmcc@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov>
- >Subject: databases in management products
- >
- >A recent poster made the remark about databases:
- >
- >>My arguement is that at the moment I don't really care which db it uses.
- >>I just don't want to be forced to pay for one in the future.
- >>
- >>Roger
- >>--
- >>brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz
- >
- >I'd like to see other opinions on this. Flat files are typically free
- >with an operating system, and the "object oriented database and interface"
- >comes with the DECmcc framework, however current trends in management
- >software requires a relational database for the types of reports users want.
- >The open systems marketplace offers many different RDBs, meaning that no
- >matter which one Digital would standardize on, customers would have different
- >requirements. One way to reduce costs is to pre-package some typical reports,
- >requiring that only the "run-time" license of the DB be purchased. However,
- >many users will want to design their own reports, and require the full report
- >development license. Another approach is for Digital to make an agreement
- >with a DB vendor to bundle appropriate parts of a DB with the management
- >package. This however raises the costs, and many customers have already
- >purchased a DB.
- >
- >In the DECmcc BMS license and above, the EXPORT function is designed to
- >bring data out of the object oriented database, and create a database that
- >cna be used to create reports. Should Digital revert to a flat-file option
- >to reduce the costs of those that don't want to buy a relational DB?
- >
- I don't really see this as an Either/Or discussion. I see it as a both/and
- issue.
-
- I would like to see the EXPORT function have the flexibility to create
- flat files or database files at the user's option. The MCC team has
- already done the code for VAX RDB and Ingres, so what would be so tricky
- about providing a flat file interface? There could be a logical name
- flag and/or a qualifier on the EXPORT command to control HOW the data
- is exported.
-
- Here where I'm at I would like to be able to export the data from the
- system that is running MCC to another system that is running SAS. Since
- the site I'm at has NO reason to use RDB, it seems a bit much to ask them
- to invest in getting a SAS-2-RDB interface (if it's even available) just
- to be able to handle MCC data.
-
- Right now it looks to me that the only way we can export the data to SAS is
- by running MCC commands to SHOW the data and then reformatting it into some
- form we would then use for SAS processing. Is there anyone else on the
- list who has already conquered this one?
-
- ========================== End of Original Message ==========================
-
- Bob Boyd Unisys/EPA, RTP NC 919-541-4441
- rbn@c3po.rtpnc.epa.gov
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