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- From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
- Subject: Re: God speaks
- Message-ID: <11597@hogg.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 01:13:04 GMT
- References: <ksand-141192162324@wintermute.apple.com> <1992Nov15.064219.19630@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <1992Nov17.193525.26954@nmsu.edu> <1992Nov18.051913.12109@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov18.051913.12109@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> lungtt@gus19.ecn.purdue.edu (Terence T. Lung) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov17.193525.26954@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >>I have read of many theistic barbaric destroyers as well. By your
- >>logic I could use these examples to dispute the thesis that religion
- >>leads to morality. Some would argue, though that these people weren't
- >>*true* Christians. These same people will turn around and cite Stalin
- >>as a "typical" atheist though. Go figure.
- >
- >Yep. You've got a point. But I guess some would argue further, though
- >that some of the atheistic barbaric destroyers weren't *true* atheists.
-
- Some might. I wouldn't. I don't know what it means to be a non-true
- atheist (following a religion secretly while claiming to be an atheist?),
- but in any case that doesn't matter.
-
- Religions make statements, prescribe certain forms of behaviour and
- prohibit others, and in general they make people do certain things.
- If we want to know whether a religious destroyer was a true representative
- of his religion, it is because he said that he was acting in a direction
- prescribed by his religion, and if that is true, then it will appear that
- this religion is the cause of destruction.
-
- Atheism doesn't tell people how to behave, it doesn't cause them to do
- things; atheists get their motives and standards from elsewhere, and
- while there is a reason to expect that two Christians (or two Buddhists,
- whatever) may behave alike in some ways, there is no reason to expect
- two atheists to behave alike.
-
- So obviously Stalin was a true atheist, but his actions had as much to
- do with his atheism as they had with the size of his moustache.
-
- >I still think morality has a better chance of instituting morality
- >than absence-of-morality.
-
- Morality has a better chance of instituting morality? Did you mean to
- type something else?
-
- --
- `Haud yer wheesht! Come oot o the man an gie him peace.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
- Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
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