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- Subject: Re: Jesus not a prophet, Son of God
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.175351.2378@gacvx2.gac.edu>
- From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
- Date: 17 Nov 92 17:53:50 -0600
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- In article <WIGGINS.92Nov17002849@hurricane.cs.odu.edu> writes:
- >In-reply-to: d89-gsk@nada.kth.se's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:43:45 GMT
- >...
- >Jesus Himself said, in the NT:
- >"And no man has ascended into heaven, except he that came down from heaven,
- >even the Son of man who is in heaven." (John 3:13)
-
- This says to me that EVERYONE is IN heaven presently. Some KNOW it and some don't.
-
- >...
- >"And, after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and
- >behold, the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending as a
- >dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying,
- >'This is My Beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.'" (Matthew 3:16-17)
-
- In TLTOC (below), Jesus is very angry at Matthew for describing his baptism
- thusly.
-
- >...
- > Jesus claimed equality with God. You cannot say He was a prophet, when He
- >clearly claims to be MORE. You must call him a liar or agree. If you agree,
- >...
-
- A prophet can be equal to God.. How do you think he knows what to say?
- (I am not being very strict with the word "prophet." I think a more
- appropriate term would be something like "mystical teacher.")
-
- >for the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel);
- >Jesus the Messiah, Isa al-Masih, said,
- >"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I am."
- >(John 8:58)
-
- What was your face before you were born?!
- This is a well known "koan" in Zen. This is _not_ proof of somebody sitting
- on a throne in heaven etc.. etc..
-
- Read _The Last Temptation of Christ_ and _The Gnostic Gospels_.
- The first is excellent, the 2nd passable.
-