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- From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale Skiba)
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- Subject: Re: Biblical Errors
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- Date: 16 Nov 92 13:50:03 GMT
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- Peter White (pwhite@ems.cdc.com) wrote:
- : In article <1992Nov11.012018.3204@medtron.medtronic.com>, ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale Skiba) writes:
- : |>
- : |> Wait a minute, you have not answered ALL of the questions. You seem
- : |> to have difficulties finding all the contradicions, so I will list
- : |> the contradictory answers I see impossible to SIMULTANEOUSLY resolve.
- : |>
- : |> Q1: Mathew 26:14-15, 27:3-8 clearly says Judas returned ALL
- : |> the money to the priests.
- : Really? I thought it said that he showed up with the 30 pieces of silver.
- : There is an implication that he wanted to return them all. However, the
- : priests did not want to take the money back. The next statement about
- : the money involves Judas throwing it. How much is not stated in that
- : verse. It is only by inference that you can determine how much he threw.
-
- Wait a minute. In 27:3 it says "he felt remorse and returned the 30
- pieces of silver" NAS And in 27:5 "he threw the pieces of silver".
- I think it takes wild speculation to say that he did not throw all
- of the silver. If you say this, I saythat Mathew was intentionally
- written to be misleading.
-
- : |>
- : |> Acts 1:18 clearly says that he bought some land with
- : |> (at least some) of the money.
- : |>
- : |> Q2: Mathew 27:7 clearly says the priests bought it.
- : |>
- : |> Acts 1:18 clearly says that Judas bought it.
- : I don't agree that it is clear that Judas himself went and made the
- : transaction. I doubt it is a point we can resolve, but it is good
- : to understand each others viewpoint.
-
- "Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness" means
- that somehow he acquired a field with the 30 pieces of silver. Even if
- someone bought him this field, they would have to do it with the 30
- pieces of silver (the price) and the priests had this money. The only
- way to have it your way is if the priests went out and bought him this
- field. But, Mathew does not say anything like that, so I can not
- understand how you see the verses this way. But, at least you are
- willing to acknowledge that we may not be able to resolve this :-)
-
- : |>
- : |> Q3: Mathew 27:5 clearly says he hung himself.
- : Agreed.
- : |>
- : |> Acts 1:18 says he fell and his abdomen burst open.
- : Agreed.
- : |>
- : |> Q4: Acts 1:19 clearly says the potters field. That is why
- : |> it is named the field of blood.
- : |>
- : |> Mathew does not give a location, but it probaly wasn't the
- : |> potters field, becasue it is called that because the land
- : |> was bought with tainted money. (This is the weakest of the
- : |> contradictions, alone it really doesn't matter very much.)
- : |>
- : |> Q5: Acts 1:19 cleary says because Judas dies there.
- : Really? I've carefully looked at both v 18 & 19. Perhaps I missed it
- : but I find no mention of the word death, only falling headlong and
- : bursting open. Granted, that if a person wasn't already dead such an
- : excercise would likely prove fatal, but cause of death is not clearly
- : stated in the verse. That has to be put in by inference.
-
- Yes, really. There is some inference involved, but this inference is
- the sort that follows the "KISS" rule -- "keep it simple stupid". We
- use that rule all the time in life to keep us from adding extra stuff
- that is not needed. For example:
-
- "No Officer, I wasn't speeding, you had a temporary halucination when
- you looked at your radar device." Or, "No Officer, I wasn't speeding,
- a car passed me just as you looked at your radar device, and by the
- time you looked up at me, he was out of sight"...
-
- Just about anything can be "explained" by adding stuff to make things
- more complicated, but you have to careful here because if you allow
- yourself to add things here, you allow others to add to other places.
-