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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: The Enduring Rand (was: Re: Theory?)
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:05:48 GMT
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- In article <37647@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky) writes:
- >In article <BxM015.B7J@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >
- >>> When you look at social systems, which promote the lives of the
- >>> citizens? Fascism? Monarchy? Socialism? Military dictatorship?
- >>> or Capitalist Republics?
- >>
- >> But all you're doing is building the argument for pragmatism, and
- >> Rand hated pragmatism.
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- >
- >I belive this shows you know less about Rand's ideas than you claim.
- >The pragmatism that Rand hated was the short-sighted "do whatever works
- >for the short run, don't think about the consequences, don't think
- >long term, just act now" type of attitude. I pointed out here on
- >the net last week (I don't know if it made it) that von Mises was
- >a fierce advocate of capitalism because he knew that it worked best.
- >However, because he held this belief, he became a very *principled* man,
- >unyielding and uncompromising in his espousal of capitalism. What von
- >Mises advocated was *long-term* pragmatism--what works best in the long run
- >for the largest amount of people.
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- The flaw in this is that if you can predict the long-term behavior
- of social systems you could be the richest man in the world and
- not have to major in computers in college as rich, or whatever you
- do.
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- A prerequisite for "doing what's best in the long run" is being
- able to predict what long-term effects your actions will have.
- I challenge you to prove that you can make such predictions
- accurately.
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- >The basis for deciding which ethical premise is better is its effect
- >on all individuals in the long run.
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- Prove this, and prove that you can predict the long run.
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- ---peter
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