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- From: steeg@cs.toronto.edu ("Evan W. Steeg")
- Subject: Re: Why Bother? (Re: FUCK CLINTON, etc.)
- Message-ID: <92Nov22.153608edt.33@neuron.ai.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
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- Date: 22 Nov 92 20:36:15 GMT
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- In article <1ejvf5INN2fj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
- >
- >>for blowjobs in Georgia, playing with passport files for political
- >>gain, selling weapons illegally to tyrants the world over -- it's
- >>the *Secret Service*, the guys in the ugly sunglasses who try
- >>to make sure our political successions don't happen like those
- >>in Liberia or Colombia, that you want to whine about?!!
- >
- >
- > i) You missed the point of the posting
- >
- > ii) You may think you're "older and wiser", but I think not.
- >
- > iii) You need to read up on the CIA involvement in Columbia
- > Peru, Brazil, Uruguay, before making such assertions.
-
-
- 1) I don't think I missed the point. 2) I'm 31 years old, and make no
- special claims about wisdom. Finally, I don't understand why you're
- bringing up the CIA when I was defending the Secret Service, and
- in particular its role in protecting the President. I am well aware
- of CIA abuses in the countries you mention, as well as several
- others. Only the most ideologically blindered right-wingers
- try to deny the role the CIA has played in subverting democratic
- movements, assassinating labor leaders, politicians, and human rights
- activists, and installing, bankrolling, and protecting viciously
- tyrannical governments throughout the developing world. But, likewise,
- the most frothing irrational leftists seem to be unable to distinguish
- between the abuses in the almost-unmonitored military/intelligence
- apparatus allowed and encouraged by Republican administrations versus
- the legitimate US governmental institutions which are worth defending.
-
- In other words, it is all too easy to look at the actions of
- scum like Casey, Elliot Abrams, Poindexter, John Negroponte,
- etc. and throw up your hands and say "our entire f***ing society and
- government are corrupt and evil beyond redemption and Bush and Clinton
- and any other president are all scum and unworthy of protection and
- the Secret Service is really just the Gestapo in more boring
- uniforms". It's the lazy way out. The apparatus and tools of government
- and national security are not *inherently* evil -- they have been
- abused savagely during the last 45 years (to say the least), but
- let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
-
- -- Evan
-
-
-
- --
-
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