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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
- Subject: Sympathy For Evil (Re: Child Molestors - internationally organized?)
- Message-ID: <13270@optilink.COM>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 23:25:33 GMT
- References: <1992Nov15.232010.17489@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Nov18.011441.13871@thelema.uucp>
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- From alt.folklore.urban, where a discussion of urban mythology leads
- STella to cry about how poorly our "sick society" treats child
- molesters:
-
- In article <1992Nov18.011441.13871@thelema.uucp>, STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
- > In article <16NOV199217341298@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
- # ##The FBI, amoung other investigative bodies, has denied finding any evidence
- # ##of any such groups [in the US] - Child molesters, pedophiles...
- #
- # Of all the sexual minorities I've encountered in a long and
- # consensually-perverted life, the childlovers were the most isolated,
- # marginalized, and desperate. Face it, these people can't even go to a
- # shrink to figure out how not to hurt kids, because the therapist can't
- # promise confidentiality.
- #
- # Whether you think age-of-consent laws should be changed (I do, for I
- # was much in love with an older person when it would have been a
- # career-killer for hir had we expressed our love) or not, I hope you'd
- # agree that folk whose chief emotional link is with those who cannot
- # legally give consent do have a problem living in a culture where their
- # psychiatrist must report them if they speak of the most problematic
- # portion of their lives.
-
- You don't suppose protecting the kids from further predation might
- take a little higher precedence than making the child molesters
- feel a little better?
-
- # #There are persistent reports in the popular media of a "North American
- # #Man-Boy Love Association" (NAMBLA) whose materials, including some
- # #kind of a newsletter, are sometimes found among pedophiles' effects.
- #
- # Persistent reports in the popular media? SHEESH! I've read some of
- # their newsletters (try the most alternative bookstore in town), talked
- # to members, and known folk who might have joined had they dared
- # believe it wasn't a sting operation. (I have no knowledge of whether
- # or not it is a gummint sting. But I am not on their list, though I
- # too would like the age-of-consent laws to be loosened.)
- #
- # Now, your attitude toward child sexuality may influence whether you
- # role-play with a friend while sie dreams of the girl next door (been
- # there, done that, got off bigtime) or refuse to let hir take your kid
- # camping, but these are people, breathing hurting people with just as
- # much capacity as you or I for ethical choice. I'm grateful that I do
- # not carry their sexual imprint through life, because being a bisexual
- # leatherwoman is plenty enough marginal for me, but the mere fact that
- # someone's primary attraction is to children does not itself make a
- # monster. What sie does or does not do with that fact is still hir
- # individual human choice.
-
- So it doesn't make them a monster to molest children?
-
- # #If I recall correctly, this came up a year or a year and a half ago
- # #when a group of such people claimed their right as taxpayers to use
- # #some facility of the San Francisco Public Library to hold meetings.
- # #As they say in chess, "?!?"
- #
- # I am not close enough to the local chapter of NAMBLA to know if
- # they've found a new meeting site. I hope so, because it's easier to
- # live up to one's ethical code with support from a community, and in
- # our sick society, the emotional costs to a child found in love with an
- # adult are only equalled by the cost to the adult.
-
- Ah, those poor child molesters, suffering because our "sick society"
- doesn't approve.
-
- # #Fact or folklore? I don't know, and frankly I don't care to associate
- # #with the kind of people who *would* know, with the guarded exception of
- # #the enforcement officials who catch 'em and put 'em in the slammer.
- #
- # I disagree. I do not, to the best of my knowledge, know any current
- # members of NAMBLA. I am certain that some of their membership are
- # scum for the same reason I am sure some lefthanded people are scum,
- # and I am certain that some are ethical and loving people with a sexual
- # imprint they're forced to carry as a guilty secret, unable even to
- # talk to a counsellor without getting put on a watch-list.
-
- Those poor child molesters! How unfair our society is!
-
- # #Sorry, folks. Consenting adults can do what they please, but children
- # #need protection.
- #
- # Then protect me from battering parents when I'm twelve, not a loving
-
- How does the failure of our society to stop all physical abuse in
- some cases, justify repealing laws against sexual abuse? This is
- the excuse that a child molester would give.
-
- # adult who could not even tell me that sie returned my feelings when I
- # was fifteen!
-
- She can return all the feelings she wants; she can tell you all
- she wants; she just can't have sex with you. Again: this is the
- excuse a child molester would give.
-
- # #Joe "Can't really think up a lighthearted witticism for this one" Chew
- #
- # Me neither, Joe. I've known a boyfucker I'd kill myself (he didn't
- # back off when the boy called safeword (I think he's still in jail, and
- # that only hurts my heart once in a while), and I've known folk who
- # could move their physical expression, if not their hearts, to adult
- # partners, and I've known one celibate dear who would have collapsed in
- # dismay if I'd hitched up my crinolines and showed him my frilly
- # day-of-week panties, back when the world and I were young, and they're
- # all people, and they're all seen as being the same. And they're all
- # as different as any other "group".
- #
- # Can we see each other as people, rather than stereotypes?
- #
- # STella@xanadu.com 1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
-
- Can we see child molesters as doing something evil, instead of as
- poor misunderstood dears?
-
-
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- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- "Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
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