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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
- Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.232213.28766@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:22:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.154506.8707@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov15.063404.27260@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
- >>In <1992Nov15.005043.17348@Princeton.EDU> (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
- >>>In <1992Nov14.235032.16739@oracle.us.oracle.com> (Michael Friedman) writes:
- >>>>In <1992Nov13.153555.20038@osf.org> buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) writes:
- >>>>>In article <Qf0kU8u00awUB5F1Uw@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Omar Smith writes:
-
- >>>>>>Legacies generate huge amounts of money for colleges, since those whose
- >>>>>>children attend a school as a legacy are far more likely to make alumni
- >>>>>>donations. Legacies are good business for colleges, not a form of
- >>>>>>discrimination.
-
- >>>>>So you're in favor of quotas for rich white people.
-
- >>>>Nope. These days, legacies are sometimes black.
-
- >>>Yeah, and Dan Quayle can sometimes spell.
-
- >>Is this supposed to add something to the discussion?
-
- >It had about as much factual comment as your quote did. Do you have any
- >idea how few legacies are black "these days?"
-
- Nope. For the Ivy League, based on the numbers that I have the
- impression were in the Ivy League in the Fifties and early Sixties I
- would guess between .1% and 1%. Do you know?
-
- >>>>>Quotas are okay if the recipients give a kick back to the organization?
-
- >>>>If the recipients are giving a kick back then it isn't a quota. It's
- >>>>payment for services rendered.
-
- >>>That's true. But the point is, everyone gets so worked up about AA, because
- >>>it violates the great merit principle, while they *don't* get worked up
- >>>about all these other violations of that principle, from geographic AA
- >>>to sports AA to musical talent AA.
-
- >>Well, you see, I am quite happy to accept the idea that racial
- >>discrimmination is wrong. I am totally unwilling to accept the idea
- >>that racial discrimmination that benefits me is wrong but racial
- >>discrimmination that hurts me is OK. I don't think that is unreasonable.
-
- >>>>>I don't know, sounds like a case were the RICCO laws should be invoked.
-
- >>>>Fair enough. Mind explaining how legacies violate RICO? Personally,
- >>>>I don't think they do and I think the sum total of your knowlege about
- >>>>RICO is that it is sometimes used against allegedly corrupt
- >>>>organizations.
-
- >>>Personally, I think someone ought to file RICO charges against the DEA,
- >>>since it is engaged in a pattern of crime. Civil forfeiture = theft.
-
- >>Cute, but this also indicates that you have minimal understanding of
- >>US law. Civil forfeiture may be wrong, but it is legal. RICO
- >>therefore does not apply.
-
- >I fail to see how something that violates the 5th and 14th amendments
- >to the Constitution could possibly be called "legal." But maybe that's
- >just me.
-
- Yes. It is just you. Stand by for a quick less on on the law. You
- are strongly advised to enlarge on this by reading a book on the
- subject before posting again on legal issues.
-
- Start Lesson:
-
- It may be unconstitutional, but as long as the courts say that it is
- legal it is legal. If the Supreme Court rules tomorrow that civil
- forfeiture is a violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments the
- people who did it before the ruling will still not be guilty of any
- crime. People who lost property may be able to sue to get it back,
- and they might even get punitive damamges, but that would be the sole
- redress. There could be no criminal charges because no crime would
- have been committed.
-
- End Lesson.
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