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- From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
- Subject: Re: health care industry woes
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.103013.198@genie.slhs.udel.edu>
- Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:30:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.163528.1494@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
- }As I have pointed out in other articles, all of our doctors in Canada
- }are private. They have to buy malpractice insurance. Their premiums
- }are lower, though, due to the generally smaller presence of litigation
- }outside of the U.S.
- }Also, erroneous assumption that government is involved in the Canadian
- }health care provision process.
-
- Then my Canadian friends who tell me about the government regulating private
- hospitals out of existence so that they don't make the government hospitals
- look bad are wrong?
-
- }While some people do not care to distinguish, there are major and
- }radical differences between socialized medicine of the UK and (because
- }the risks are beyond the free market) public universal (real) health
- }insurance as in Canada, France and Germany. Britain and Italy have
- }true socialized medicine with civil servant doctors and nationalized
- }hospitals. It is like an HMO, with a bureaucrat on the doctor's
- }shoulders. In Canada, it is just insurance and you spend your
- }benefits as you choose and as the medical market allows; in fact, the
- }Canada Health Act has certain provisions that prevent government
- }intrusion into the direct provision of health (a concern if a radical
- }leftist NDP administration such as Dave Barret's in 70's B.C. ever
- }wanted to attempt to socialize their province's system ... I do not
- }consider Canada to be "socialized").
-
- The relevance of these distinctions is debatable, although it tends to be
- far worse for governments to deliver services as well as finance them.
-
- }>>This is why there's an "underground railroad" for Canadians in need
- }>>of immediate treatment to get it in the States.
- }>
- }>I've seen no evidence that Canadians in need of immediate treatment
- }>were forced to wait in line. There are waiting lists for some forms
- }>of elective surgery, for example heart bypass operations.
- }
- }A common myth repeated among Americans upon the assumption that our
- }government(s) is involved in the health care process, rather than the
- }market.
-
- Perhaps, but I heard it from Canadians.
-
- }Waiting lists have been debunked by Vancouver's conservative Fraser
- }Institute, and CNN could not find any convincing ones during their
- }June focus series on the health care system in Canada. It was also
- }one of the first times in the U.S. that I've seen the distinction that
- }we have private doctors in Canada, and that the only public portion is
- }centered on provincial (not federal - surprise! (-;) health insurance.
-
- I'd like to know the reference for this, please, as I seem to recall the
- opposite conclusion coming from Fraser. I'll check a book of theirs
- tomorrow.
-
- Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
- starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu
-
- "True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
- oneself and others." - Voltaire
-