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- From: edwardc@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Edward Carter)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
- Subject: Re: Proving Life after Death? (was Re: Ayn Rand on Religion [Was: Reply to Wingate])
- Keywords: Rand Religion Wingate
- Message-ID: <1992Nov22.133927@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 22 Nov 92 13:39:27 GMT
- References: <9V1uTB1w165w@momad.UUCP> <nyikos.722047409@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1992Nov21.081157.22525@s1.gov> <1992Nov21.192703.16527@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov21.192703.16527@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
- muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes:
-
- # While, I don't disagree with a lot of what Loren has written, I wish
- # to speculate on the connection between consciousness and death (my
- # previous tid bit didn't seem to have reached here).
- # **************** Leave reality for a minute ***********
- #
- # Just say that consciousness is some complete unit. The question is, does
- # consciousness prevail as it is ? Does it break up ? Does it get destroyed
- ?
- # Does it get transformed into something else ? Regardless, *something*
- happens
- # to it. Let me speculate on each of these.
- #
- # Does consciousness prevail as it is ?
- #
- # If by consciousness we mean the collective workings of the neurons in
- # our body, then it would seem that whenever those chemical transmitters
- # cease to be manufactured, that is the end of the story. This is what
- # most skeptics would accept. Now back to the part about the unit.
- # This would mean that consciousness has gone to nothingness. Can a
- # unit be transformed in this way ? Now it exists, and then it vanishes;
- # no decaying, nor gradual wear down. So no, consciousness doesn't prevail,
- # but goes somewhere...even to nothingness.
- #
- # <<<<lots of stuff deleted>>>>
- #
- # ***************** Entering reality, ********************
- #
- # I'm just glad to be alive!!!
-
- "Consciousness as a complete unit" seems to imply that it's a physical
- object. This, in turn is something that you deny when you claim that
- it's "the collective workings of the neurons...". It can't be both
- a complete [ie enduring, physical] unit and the output of a working
- machine [ie dependent upon the machine keeping working for it to
- exist].
-
- This `it's got to go somewhere' argument can only be reconciled with the
- idea of consciousness as the result of the brain's workings if the
- physical brain somehow makes the transition to the astral plane, surely?
-
- More generally, I often hear this kind of argument about consciousness
- and Life After Death where people say "it's got to go somewhere", but
- this always implies consciousness as a physical entity rather than as
- a property of a physical entity. Is there any basis for the `physical'
- viewpoint, or is either me or everyone else just confused?
-
- Ed Carter
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