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- From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
- Subject: Proving Life after Death? (was Re: Ayn Rand on Religion [Was: Reply to Wingate])
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:11:57 GMT
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- In article <nyikos.722047409@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >I have added talk.religion.misc
- >
- >In <9V1uTB1w165w@momad.UUCP> siphon@momad.UUCP (Stimpson J. Katz) writes:
- >
- : I wrote:
- >
- : >As far as Rand's critique of religion, it boils down to the essential point
- : >that religion makes no testable claims and therefore says nothing about
- : >reality.
-
- >Every person tests the claims of Christianity when (s)he dies. That we
- >do not know the outcome of the test for the people who preceded us, is
- >a perhaps temporary bit of ignorance. Of course, if Ayn Rand is right,
- >and there is no afterlife, then the claims of Christianity are indeed
- >untestable in a certain sense (no one will ever know that the answer is No
- >if it really is No) but to say that Christianity makes no testable claims is to
- >do a really striking bit of question-begging.
-
- And we test the claims of a whole lot of other religions,
- also.
-
- What if Islam turns out to be the One True Religion, and one
- won't get to screw all those Houris just because one didn't believe in
- Mohammed?
-
- And furthermore, there are hordes of apologists who claim that
- Christianity can be tested _before_ one's death.
-
- : One need not prove a negative, Mr. Wingate.
-
- >This I call The Forensic Fallacy.
-
- [Argument that the burden of proof is on the side of the less
- accepted alternative(s)]
-
- So?
-
- I believe that my consciousness will end at death because it
- seems too closely tied to my body. So if my body goes, it will go too.
-
- But if I wake up in some other realm, then I will have to
- accept the fact that I did, and I will attempt to find out how this
- remarkable event happened.
-
- In other words,
-
- I'll believe in it when I see it. But not before.
-
-
- There are further difficulties with this standard of evidence.
- What about popular beliefs that are easily shown to be wrong? Like the
- supposed coexistence of early people and dinosaurs (wrong by 65
- million years)?
-
-