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- From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
- Subject: The Voice of Experience
- Message-ID: <62205@mimsy.umd.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 02:37:29 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.040444.15973@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
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- Someone named dave writes:
-
- >> The evidence is that people convert, and hence move from not experiencing to
- >> experiencing. Hence, simple lack of personal experience is not necessarily
- >> good evidence by itself.
-
- >never mind the matter of _what_ they are experiencing.
-
- Well, I DO say "never mind". Taken at face value, evangelism has some of
- the qualities of giving a favorable review of a restaurant or a movie. Here
- it is very much a matter of one's confidence in the reviewer. Atheism is
- prone to an attitude of "all us enlightened, right-thinking, clear-minded
- people of course see through that silly backwards religion stuff". At the
- same time, I suspec that atheists ask other people for advice and opinions,
- which pretty clearly falls in into the heading of authority.
-
- >as for the question of authority, which i addressed in a previous post
- >which either died or was ignored, that of Faith, unlike the others you tend
- >to mention, permit no grounds whatsoever within their domain for refutation.
-
- I'm having trouble making sense out of this, but if I understand it
- correctly, you are asserting that faith allows no grounds for refutation
- (I'm not sure what this "domain" is). I don't know what to make of such a
- statement in the face of the abundant evidence that people lose faith.
-
- >other authorities are found incapable of denying, even in their own
- >missives, their fallibility. consideration of the supernatural, therefore,
- >requires the mere acceptance or rejection of knowledge, rather than an
- >interaction with the process of knowing, which you seem to abdicate with a
- >throwing up of hands.
-
- I don't follow this at all. I cannot see a separation between acceptance/
- rejection and this "process of knowing"-- and is knowing a process or a
- state?
-
- --
- C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
- + but strife closed in the sod.
- mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
- tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
-