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- From: parson_r@cubldr.colorado.edu (Robert Parson)
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:08:30 GMT
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- In article <Jym.19Nov1992.1646@naughty-peahen>, Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
- >> While it is true that HCFC's contribute to ozone depletion,
- >> they are much less effective at this than CFC's. Their ozone
- >> depletion potentials range from about .01 to .1 (compared to
- >> 1.0 for CFC-11).
- >
- > =-= This comparison is certainly true, but you neglect to
- > address the magnitude of the damage being done. HCFCs are
- > just CFCs with hydrogen added to make them less stable, so
- > that they break up sooner.
- (actually the H substitutes for Cl or F)
- >
- > =-= Given that CFCs yield 100 years of ozone depletion,
- > "sooner" means (to use your statistics) "only" 1-10 years.
- > This is better news, but it is by no means good news,
- > especially for those who'll be spending time in the near
- > future. :-|
- >
- The lifetimes of most HCFC's are short enough (~ a few years)
- that a good fraction of them will never reach the stratosphere at all.
- Actually, once they reach the strat. the short lifetime becomes a problem,
- rather than an advantage; it means that the chlorine is released more
- quickly. The ideal solution would be an HCFC that has a short tropospheric
- lifetime _and_ a long stratospheric lifetime. Unfortunately that's hard
- to arrange. (Except by going to HFC's, but these aren't suitable for as
- many applications as HCFC's).
-
- Since HCFC's and CFC's have similar physical properties, much of the
- technology used for CFC's can be taken over. Their use, in a transitional
- role, can thus speed the phase-out of CFC's. Provided the HCFC's are
- used in appropriate settings (e.g. in refrigeration, where the emission
- rate is very slow, as opposed to using them as solvents), this can outweigh
- the effects of the HCFC's themselves. At present human sources are responsible
- for ~75% of the chlorine in the stratosphere; most of the remainder comes from
- naturally-produced methyl chloride. There is little difference, then, between
- eliminating emissions entirely and reducing them by a factor of 100. We can't
- do that well with HCFC's, unfortunately, but we can go a long way.
-