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- From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
- Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:58:11 GMT
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- In article <By11K4.4C4@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
- >muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >
- >>...[]... The way I see it,
- >>it is much easier for a person to develop and change their personality
- >>than it is for them to change their looks (which they are basically born
- >>with).
- >
- >Ah! This, I think, gets to the heart of the matter. Personality is under
- >our immediate control, and looks aren't, or at least so Muffy believes.
- >
- >Is it true, though? Much is made of the effect of early environment upon
- >later character traits and habits, so much so that people are said to
- >be "maimed" for life by episodes of childhood abuse. Similarly, several
- >long threads on this net belabor the alleged effects of advertising,
- >society, etc. on shaping the behavior and the values of women. The gist
- >of much of this is the contention - true IMO - that human behavior is
- >generally shaped by the environment in which people find themselves,
- >and it is difficult to resist these influences. This in turn implies that
- >peronality and character, while subject to some change, is also not easily
- >controlled, by the individual, much less significantly altered without
- >great effort and desire.
- >
- >Looks, by contrast, require merely an investment in cosmetics and plastic
- >surgery, something that would appear, to me at least, to require much less
- >time and willpower than to change one's personality significantly.
-
- Actually, changing one's looks significantly is not so easy. A new haircut is
- one thing, but dropping 30 pounds is another. Plastic surgery is hardly cheap,
- and cosmetics can only do so much. Which is tougher: Hitting your 'ideal'
- weight or psyching yourself out of depression? I'd say neither.
- I'd guess they're about even in terms of difficulty of change on average,
- though the range is quite extreme.
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- "TANSTAAFL" Rich lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
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