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- From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
- Subject: Re: Self Appreciation (was: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.213650.4867@ils.nwu.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:36:50 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov20.151525.27355@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.184216.12972@mr.med.ge.com> wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us writes:
- >
- >[peters post deleted, again!]
- >
- >> First, the dissonance that Celeste mentions is significantly stronger
- >> the the "occasional" dissonance you mention. It is almost unbearable.
- >> In my case, I sometimes feel like trying to rip my brain out of this body
- >> and find a female body to put it in. It is more like PAIN and HURT.
- >>
- >> Now, with reapect to the MMPI. As part of my evaluation I was required
- >> to take the MMPI-2. The MMPI-2 is an updated version of the MMPI that
- >> has been updated, especially in the area of gender. Stereotypes that
- >> could be used to force the test to show male or female associations were
- >> removed.
- >
- >You mean there are tests which can determine gender without gender clues?
- >Curious. Since [usually] one will have the same sex and gender, would
- >this not point to non-social sex differences?
- >
- >Without knowing more about the tests, I am just speculating, is that OK
- >rini?
- >
- >I wonder if Rich Lynch has any comments on this.
- >
- >> There are also scales, apparently, to determine whether one is
- >> fudging the answers. I scored exceedingly high in femaleness (over
- >> 80 percentile) without fudging. Most biological females would be expected
- >> to score high like that also. The rest of my test results were what would be
- >> expected from a biological female or very close. Whether this applies to
- >> anyone else, I don't know. I am also trying to describe what my therapist
- >> told me, and hopefully I haven't misstated anything.
-
- I'm far too cynical to put much stock in some damn test as a final answer, but
- it sounds like Wendy has done more than take one test. I'd rely far more on a
- competent psychiatrist's opinion, and even that would be hardly infallible.
-
- Also, it seems to me that Wendy ought to be the one to make the final decision;
- the only way I (or anybody else for that matter) should have any say is if I
- (or whoever) has to pay for it.
-
- Anyway, I'm sure the people who make up these tests can provide a far better
- explication of the intricacies of the statistical validity than I; why not ask
- them?
- --
- "TANSTAAFL" Rich lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
-