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- From: martink@NeoSoft.com (Martin Koistinen)
- Subject: Cold Marriage
- Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:16:18 GMT
- Message-ID: <By21JL.MA2@NeoSoft.com>
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- I am getting quite desperate and need some advice from a
- woman's (especially a married woman's) point of view.
-
- My wife regards intimicy in general as a very uncomfortable
- feeling. She finds the following events as... well,
- uncomfortable: Romantic disscusion (ie, "I love you" with
- meaning), Romantic atmosphere (the TV is ALWAYS on and she
- doesn't like the lights dimmed and she won't put that book down
- so that we can "just BE together"), Kissing for more than one
- second (She WON'T kiss with an even slightly open mouth and NEVER
- uses her tongue), She likes to receive back/neck/arm/leg rubbing
- but detests giving it. Romantic sex (ie, "lovemaking", I don't
- think I have ever been "made love to" by her and I think she
- feels uncomfortable if I put more emotion into it then is
- "necessary"). Foreplay is OK when she's receiving it, otherwise
- no way.
-
- She excuses herself from romantic activities by saying
- something cute and childlike. Sometimes she gets into these
- moods where she likes to have playful tickle-fights. These are
- NEVER succeded by romance or even just sex. This brings up
- something else, She has in four years, NEVER had sex with me
- after a "date" or an evening where just the two of us go out to
- dinner and a movie or something. This includes birthdays,
- holidays, St. Valentine's day, anniversaries, OUR HONEYMOON. I
- now almost hate to "go out" with her because it guarentees she
- won't be in the mood later.
-
- We have sex about once every two to four weeks. We have this
- unhealthy cycle we go through where I get so lonely that I
- actually beg for physical affection. She interprets this as
- being horny and I'm "going through my emotional periods". After
- about a week of this she'll allow me to have sex with her.
- Sometimes she'll say something to the affect that "She feels like
- I'm making her have sex with me." Sex is cold and mechanical.
- She likes to get on top and she reaches orgasm but its pretty
- much same-o-same-o. I'm physically satisfied at this point and
- it helps my loneliness for about one week then it starts all
- over.
-
- When we first met we had a VERY active sex-life, sometimes
- we'd spend whole days just having interesting sex and resting
- just to do it again. Sometimes, We'd wake up from a deep sleep
- and realize we were having sex. She occasionally would even give
- me head while I was driving without any notice beforehand.
- During this time sex was sex not lovemaking but I was too busy
- have fun to notice. This lasted about 3 months until she moved
- in with me. Declined steadily from there.
-
- I very much believe that she is just like this and it really
- has nothing to do with me. If I felt that she just didn't love
- me, we would already be divorced. She was married once before
- and HE left her after about 2 years. Anytime I bring any of the
- above up in conversation, she just crys and says "your going to
- leave me too, just like (ex-husband) did".
-
- A couple of weeks ago she told me in a passing conversation
- that she finds "tongue-kissing" disgusting and she won't do any
- more. (She had previously told me that she now thought fellatio
- was disgusting and that was out too) I was really hurt that she
- would actually tell me this with out any provication. I told her
- that I'd like her and I to see a marriage counselor. She cried
- and drew up parallels between our's and her previous marriage
- thinking that we were now one step closer to divorce. She is
- aware that her coldness is moving us apart but she doesn't seem
- to consider changing (how?) or seeking help. She doesn't suggest
- anything I could do differently.
-
- She has been telling me, ever since I have been trying to
- work this out with her, that she feels like she has something
- wrong with her. She knows she's a cold person. She asks me "why
- can't you just KNOW that I love you and leave it at that?" I
- really feel that in effort to "keep" me she tells me every day
- that she loves me and gives me a QUICK peck on the lips as I go
- to work Just like June and Ward Cleaver might do.
-
- Sometimes I almost sense a dual-personality in her. I just
- can't seem to nail it down though. She this cute child like mood
- that I am really fond of and then she has her normal
- sometimes-nice, sometimes-stern mood that I've grown accustom
- too. We have NEVER-EVER engaged in romance/sex during her cute
- mood. I sometimes think she is emotionally incapable during
- these times. (I really think she is clinical here, not to sound
- mean)
-
- Let me mention here that this is NOT the type of relationship
- where the wife completely rules the house and the husband is a
- spineless dwebe. On the other hand as you can probably tell by
- now, It is also not the type of relationship where the husband
- bullies the wife around. I handle most of the home affairs
- (financial/legal/etc.) but I am assisting her in starting up HER
- own business. She doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in
- herself and I think this will help her in that department. She
- is rather shy and few aquaintences of hers turn into friends.
- They either think she is "stuck up" or they get tired of her not
- returning calls or otherwise taking an initiative in friendship.
- (another reason why I don't take all of this as a problem with
- me.)
-
- I love her very much. I want our relationship to work. I
- want us to have a happy, successful marriage. I vowed to her
- that I'd never leave her and never cheat on her. I hope I can
- live up to both of them. Since I am almost always lonely, It
- would be extremely difficult to resist affection from just about
- ANY other woman. I try not to put myself in these situations. I
- do not regard adultry as unlawful or sinful, just unfaithful and
- wrong so I my fidelity is not based on anything but love for her.
- At times I considered finding another woman to be just a close
- friend with whom I could occationally share kisses and affection
- (not sex) but I think that is just as unfaithful and besides,
- there would probably come a time when I would not stop at just
- kissing.
-
- Like I said, I'm desperate. Please, if you have any advice, send
- email to :martink@neosoft.com
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