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- From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
- Subject: Re: Self Appreciation (was: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.045508.19688@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:55:08 GMT
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- In article <BxvJp7.12o@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov17.163629.1172@mr.med.ge.com> wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us writes:
- >>The pain of being transexual is almost to much to bear. Many Transexual
- >>people kill themselves over the internal conflict. We are branded as crazy
- >>by many who have no idea of how we feel. I have never thought or dreamed
- >>like my male friends. I have had to force myself (with great difficulty) to
- >>act and react like a male. My therapist says the hardest part will be to
- >>drop the male shell I have hidden myself in (so that I could survive as a
- >>male).
- >
- > There is at least one branch of feminist thinking that tends
- > to downplay the concept that gender roles are anything more
- > than the results of socialization. These people believe that
- > any suggestion that there are innate differences in affect
- > or intellect to be highly questionable and in any case that
- > such suggestions, or research that would tend to focus on
- > such things, are politivally incorrect. (a couple of decades
- > ago the concept that gender differences were mainly socialization
- > was a common theme among many feminists; I don't know whether
- > it still is.)
- >
- > How do those who hold this view square it with the opinions
- > of posters like the above? Transexuals will frequently claim
- > that they "feel like" a member of U sex in a V body. Indeed,
- > interesting philosophical questions are raised by just asking
- > what it means to "feel like" a member of a certain gender.
-
- My understanding of transsexual people is that they feel at odds with
- their bodies, that their bodies are of the wrong sex.
-
- If a man were to say, "I don't feel like a man because I don't like
- sports, I like theatre and music," and yet be very happy with the fact
- he's male and doesn't want to be female, I would say that he's just
- suffering from cultural stereotypes, something feminism is trying to
- free us of (imo). However, if this man were to say that he hated his
- male body and always wanted to be female, I would say that he's
- transsexual.
-
- I, too, have some problems with "I've always felt whatever gender." I
- have no problems with, "I've always hated my female (or male) body and
- want to be of the other sex."
-
- I'm sure Wendy has more insight than either of us about this, though.
-
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