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- From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
- Newsgroups: soc.women
- Subject: Re: Self Appreciation (was: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Message-ID: <celeste-181192142820@128.158.16.248>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 20:37:42 GMT
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- In article <BxvJp7.12o@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter
- Nelson) wrote:
- >
- > In article <1992Nov17.163629.1172@mr.med.ge.com> wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us writes:
- >
- > >The pain of being transexual is almost to much to bear. Many Transexual
- > >people kill themselves over the internal conflict. We are branded as crazy
- > >by many who have no idea of how we feel. I have never thought or dreamed
- > >like my male friends. I have had to force myself (with great difficulty) to
- > >act and react like a male. My therapist says the hardest part will be to
- > >drop the male shell I have hidden myself in (so that I could survive as a
- > >male).
- >
- > There is at least one branch of feminist thinking that tends
- > to downplay the concept that gender roles are anything more
- > than the results of socialization. These people believe that
- > any suggestion that there are innate differences in affect
- > or intellect to be highly questionable and in any case that
- > such suggestions, or research that would tend to focus on
- > such things, are politivally incorrect. (a couple of decades
- > ago the concept that gender differences were mainly socialization
- > was a common theme among many feminists; I don't know whether
- > it still is.)
-
- See the chapter 1 in the "Mismeasured Women" for some sight on
- on the analysis of differences between the sexs.
-
- See "Male and Female Realities" for the short list of _Average_
- differences between male and remales.
-
- Remember:
- "The differences between the sexes is less then the variation
- within each sex."
-
- Take for example hight. Average male 5'9", Average women 5'6"
- But there are many men below 5'6' and many women above 5'9".
-
- >
- > How do those who hold this view square it with the opinions
- > of posters like the above? Transexuals will frequently claim
- > that they "feel like" a member of U sex in a V body. Indeed,
- > interesting philosophical questions are raised by just asking
- > what it means to "feel like" a member of a certain gender.
- >
- > I am a male. I am physically attracted to females, which makes
- > me heterosexual. I have a variety of personality characteristics
- > and might feel happy, sad, driven, angry, elated, wistful, melan-
- > choly, silly, and so forth at various times. Yet despite all
- > of this I'm not sure what it "feels like" to be a man. That is,
- > I can't associate any of these feelings with "maleness" and
- > obviously I don't know what it "feels like" to be female, either.
- > So why/how does the above poster think she (he? --what's the
- > correct pronoun?) does?
- >
- If you don't "feel" a disonace between your gender and your body,
- then you are not a transsexual. Feeling like a women in a male
- body is like describing colors and color harmony to a
- blind person.
- >
- > ---peter
- >
- >
- What I can tell you is when one feels that disonace, it hurts very
- deeply and strongly. You constantly ask "What is wrong with me?!"
- "Why am I so different?" When you finally are able to present youself
- to others in your perfered gender, you can't imagine the feeling
- of relief and harmony. The increable pleasure of beingness when
- one is right with ones self. And the disapointment when you
- live with that beingness on only a temporary basis.
-
- Life if not fair.
-
- Life, society and the intolerant are very unfair to
- the transgendered.
-
- The constitution does not protect the transsexual, yet.
-
- I want life, liberity and the pursuit of happness... as a women.
-
- Love and hugs,
-
- Celeste
-