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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Self Appreciation (was: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:22:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.221225.21312@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
- >In article <2882@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
- >>
- >>....If you don't
- >>believe this, check out an issue of "Ms." magazine. Count the number
- >>of adds for perfumes, make-up, clothing, breast enlargements, etc. And
- >>remember, this is a *feminist* magazine.
- >
- >Why don't you check one out? NO ads. NONE. Whatsoever.
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- True. Dumb posting, Dan. _Ms_ went non-commercial a couple of
- years ago.
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- But let's not lose sight of the issue: _Ms_ also has a very
- modest circulation.
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- Some of the largest circulation magazines in the US are the
- "women's" magazines -- several far exceed the circulation of, say,
- _Playboy_ and probably read more on a per-issue basis since
- it's socially acceptable to leave them out where impressionable
- girls can read them whereas I suspect lots of "men's magazines"
- end up under somebody's mattress.
-
- These women's magazines are supported by the fashion and cosmetic
- industries which are, in turn, supported by *women* by their
- purchases.
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- And, as I pointed out in an earlier posting, while it's true
- that we are all under social pressure to conform to certain
- roles and behavior and consume certain products, that pressure
- *can* be resisted! Women have to face enough *genuine*
- harassment and discrimination that it's alsmost criminal when
- they actively promote a set of cultural values that further
- denigrates them. It's truly bizarre. I'm at that age where
- a lot of my friends have children and I see mothers in generation
- taking their 9-year old girls out to get their ears pierced or
- to buy makeup and jewelry, setting them out on the road to
- becoming obediant little consumers preoccupied with conforming
- to some artificial standard of beauty. Last Christmas my
- 10 year old niece got a mall shopping game!
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- ---peter
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