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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
- Subject: Re: Practise what you preach? (was:what is sexist?)
- Date: 16 Nov 92 14:52:44
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- In-reply-to: maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk's message of 16 Nov 1992 19:34:45 -0000
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- In article <1e8t4lINN95k@saffron.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley) writes:
- [Quoting me]
- >>No, dear.
- >I wonder if anyone can tell me which half of the population is 'permitted' to
- >use this sort of insulting and condescending phrase.
-
- Neither half. Personally, I think both should be "permitted" to. I
- think if someone makes some idiotic and incorrect statement about my
- opinions, then I have plenty of reason to have a low opinion of them.
-
- >No fob-offs like 'oh it was obviously not being used to be insulting' please,
- >since it was clearly intended with that exact purpose.
-
- Absolutely. It was specficially intended to be insulting. I often
- respond to insults with insults. That may not be the best thing to do,
- but I find it just as effective as any other method (i.e. not at all) of
- responding to insults.
-
- >If any such defenses
- >do come to mind, I would simply refer you to the standard feminist
- >'prosocution' of males who do this. And you will find that under this
- >philosopy, the remark is indefensible.
-
- Why should it be defended? If it is okay for a man (actually, many of
- them...*smile*) to insult me, why should it not also be okay for me to
- insult them? I certainly think it is.
-
- >Have you, by dint of precident, now disowned allegence to the feminist
- >requirement that such phrases are not used in address to womyn? Have you, in
- >other words, given us all the right to call you 'dear'?
-
- Do you mean me, here? Boy, I'd be happy if that was the worst thing
- that I was called on this newsgroup...*smile*. Honestly, I would.
-
- >But had you ever considered the possibility that if you practise the new 'human
- >rights' that feminism preaches, men will be more inclined to?
-
- I don't think there's an issue of "human rights" here. Perhaps there is
- one of politeness. Do you think that it is a "human right" to be able
- to speak without being insulted? If so, and if you wish to defend such
- rights, I refer you to a recent post by starbuck, where you should be
- able to find lots of non-idle remarks about me to criticize. Somehow,
- though, I don't expect to see criticism of people who attack feminists
- with insults.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
- ~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
- discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
- of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
-