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- From: gast@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Gast)
- Subject: Re: Nightline and Presidential Cantidates
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:06:10 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov11.194742.3823@microsoft.com> philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov3.223449.10798@cs.ucla.edu> gast@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Gast) writes:
-
- >>As for being anti-Bush, I'd have to disagree. The spin doctors
- >>talk a good game, but the facts speak differently. The media, for example,
- >>covered allegations about Clinton's marital infidelities a lot more than
- >>allegations about Bush.
-
- >Might this have something to do with the fact that these "allegations"
- >about CLinton were TRUE and the ones regarding Bush were not?? Hmmm??
-
- I don't believe the allegations against Bush were false. I never heard
- anyone in the media claim they were false. The media by and large just
- ignored the issue for Bush.
-
- >> The media also covered Clinton's draft record in
- >>more detail than the economy, any of the major campaign issues, or any of
- >>the numerous scandals about Bush. (See reports by FAIR).
-
- >Puhleeeze! Reality check here, David!
-
- I am only citing a study. It is the networks and the spin doctors that
- need a reality check. And yourself!
-
- >Economic reporting has been 90%
- >negative during this campaign.
-
- First, I think the economy sucks. Second, something like 80% of the
- voters in exit polls said it was in bad or terrible shape. (I forget
- exactly what the question was). Third, the reporting was, in my
- opinion, more optimistic than warranted. For example, when the
- third quarter GNP figures came out, the media fell all over themselves
- reporting how *high* growth was. Two reality checks for you. 1) The
- numbers were doctored. The revised numbers will almost assuredly be
- revised downward. Even Republican William Safire has said so. 2)
- 2.9%, the inflated, but reported figure, is not high in any realistic sense.
-
- >As for the "numerous scandals about Bush", Lawrence Walsh
- >spent about $40 million dollars trying to implicate Bush & friends in
- >Iran-Contra, and he couldn't.
-
- No, Bushie and friends are in Iran-Contra up to their eyeballs. Only
- the blind cannot see it.
-
- >Except for the politically motivated
- >indictment of Cap Weinberger (who hopefully will be pardoned by Bush
- >before Slick takes office).
-
- Hopefully not.
-
- >> The media also
- >>pronounced Bush the winner of the third debate even though polling data
- >>indicated he came in last.
-
- >I don't know which channel you were watching, but I certainly didn't
- >see any of the so-called "experts" proclaim Bush the winner of any
- >debate. I wouldn't mind if they did, anyway, because Bush clearly did
- >win the third debate.
-
- First, I disagree with your premise that he did win. Second, correspondents
- on PBS and ABC both gave him high marks. What that means in practice is
- that he had the best sound bites.
-
- >Anyway, it is well known that
- >most newspapers are owned by wealthy republican men (for example, William
- >Randolph Hearst). Of course, the editorial pages are going to reflect
- >the views of the owner.
-
- Supposedly, there is a wall between the editorial side the and publishing
- side.
-
- >The real problem here is that most American's get their information
- >from Television, which has been criminally irresponsible in their blatant
- >and unapologetic support of Willie.
-
- You are half right. The trouble is that people get what little information
- they do get from television. But TV was not supporting Clinton.
-
- >In case you think I'm some right-wing lunatic, let me assure you that
- >I did not vote for Bush (or Clinton for that matter). I voted for the
- >only candidate who was willing to tell the truth (and therefore had no
- >chance of being elected), Mr. Perot.
-
- I thought the republicans were saying that Perot was a right-wing lunatic.
-
- david
-