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- From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
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- Subject: Re: PRES DEBATE
- Message-ID: <MARTINC.92Nov17153920@hatteras.cs.unc.edu>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 20:39:20 GMT
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- In-reply-to: dbj@cs.washington.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 19:20:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.192032.11866@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dbj@cs.washington.edu (Dave Johnson) writes:
- In article <MARTINC.92Nov14160302@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
- >In article <92318.104242SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon) writes:
- >
-
- >wetlands, or one slightly differentiated species? Many environmental
- >activists will say that a species' value is immense, beyond valuation:
- >this leads to a costing where any economic cost is less than the immense
- >value.
- >
- >This is the costing model that is causing all the trouble in the
- >Northwest US right now: what is the value of the western subspecies of a
- >particular owl, compared to the economic loss to the region if timbering
- >is made impossible to protect that species?
-
- Hmmm, I would say it is this sort of all-or-nothing rhetoric
- that causes a lot of the trouble right now.
-
- No argument.
-
- There are only a
- few extremists who are proposing making timbering impossible,
- and even that is referring only to public lands. Just because
- Dan Quayle said we could have owls OR jobs doesn't mean we have
- to choose between them. Most of the environmentalists are asking
- that SOME ancient forests be left uncut--unfortunately, at this
- time there's only SOME left, so the environmentalists are in the
- position of asking that most all of the remaining ancient forests
- be left uncut.
-
- Yeah, but that has the effect from the logger's point of view of saying
- "oh no, we don't want to keep people from cutting *all* forests ... just
- any of the ones that would provide you with work." The issue still
- comes down to the value of a particular subspecies.
-
- One approach that might work is to decide that the value of the species
- is greater than the economic value of the forest or microclimate or
- whatever, and therefore *buy* the damned thing. (The Nature Conservancy
- works on just that basis, in fact.) But the way the current
- environmental laws operate doesn't recognize the economic cost, just the
- apparently unlimited value of a species.
-
- I also think it might concentrate the public's mid wonderfully if told
- "saving the snail darter will mean we must pay 123 million dollars for
- the economic loss realized by not finishing the dam."
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