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- From: rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe)
- Newsgroups: soc.singles
- Subject: Re: girl/lady/female boy/guy/male
- Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:59:08 GMT
- Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH
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- References: <BxH37C.n4H@news.udel.edu> <1992Nov10.043352.10000@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <BxIvAv.M6C@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
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- In article <BxIvAv.M6C@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) wr
- ites:
- >In article <1992Nov10.043352.10000@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jsmt@troi.cc.roche
- ster.edu (Julia Smith) writes:
- >>In article <BxH37C.n4H@news.udel.edu> todd@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
- >>*story deleted*
- >>>
- >>>So I ask this group, which has a large % of female participants, is gender n
- eutral terminology to be expected?
- >>>
- >>>
- >>Todd, the main difference for me is between personal and professional.
- >>When I am talking to someone on a personal level, I feel no offense
- >>regardless of the language used - including vulgarity - because it
- >>is between individuals. But professionally, I will not tolerate being
- >>referred to as a "girl," nor am I comfortable with male gender pronouns
- >>used to refer to groups which include women (such as "the student....he"
- >>when a female student could very easily be the referent). For me,
- >>the defensiveness comes from the very real concern of being dismissed
- >>professionally because of my gender (school administration is a very
- >>old-boy network).
- >>
- >>those are my guidelines anyway. I'll be interested to hear what others
- >>have to say.
- >>
- >>--j
- >
- >There is "boy", and then there is "*B*oy", the later having an emphasise
- >on the "B". The same is available with "girls". A lot depends on the
- >tone and the intent of the speaker.
- >
- > IF the speaker desires to be an A**hole, then I take offense; but if it
- >is just conversation, then I don't get irritated by it.
- >
- >That's my Opinion.
- >
- >Dan
- >
- Personally I get a little irritated by this kind of thing. I've
- had many young females give me a lecture about them being women and not
- girls when I've used the term during conversation. I'm not of the
- opinion that boys become men and girls become women when they've reached
- the milestone of being 18. Indeed I've known many males of the species
- to whom I would not ascribe the term "man" even though they may exceed
- me by years. To me the terms man and woman are not labels which are
- given out at a prescribed age, but are terms of respect to be used when
- the individual in question has proven themselves worthy of the title. Any
- female who whines and moans and generally acts like a 12 year old is not
- a woman but a girl, regardless of her chronology. The same applies for
- any male who'd rather engage in self pity and crawl in a bottle and suck
- his thumb, this is not a man. Additionaly any female who jumps on my
- sh*t and gives me hell about her being a woman and not a girl while in
- idle and friendly conversation is clearly a wannabe who is trying to get
- respect without earning it. The point is some things are earned and not
- ascribed, any person who has earned respect from me will recieve the
- proper addressing. Anyone else? Well I guess it depends on whether I
- feel irascible or condescending.
- -Bob
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